How diferent from total war?

[Zombie72]

Just wanted to know how dose this game differ from the C.A. total war games. It kind of looks the same at a quick glance but other than that I know nothing about it.

[Weeb]

Total war: Control the battle, turn-based
EU4: Only send troops to provinces to siege, rts

That's as basic of a difference there is between the two titles

[Bandini]

Total War is about war. EU is about politics; wars of course included, but in the context of EU you don't take direct control in battles. Are you familiar with football games? If so, I'd say TW is like FIFA, and EU is like Football Manager. EU has more depth and realism, TW is a more arcade-y experience.

[Zombie72]

Ok thanks maybe I'll bite the bullet and download the demo. "real bad conection 10 to 12 hrs for 8 gig IF it stays conected.

[Kaedal]

Very different. Europa Universalis is a geopolitical strategy game on a grand scale, whereas Total War is generally smaller in scale when it comes to the top map. There's also a good deal more political play involved in Europa Universalis than Total War.

[Nelson05]

Look at the price.

[Red - 2]

dev diareis here if you are overwhelmed by everything http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?629770-Europa-Universalis-IV-Development-Diaries-Archive

[Aaelar]

Dude, there's a demo.. why don't you play for yourself?

[Nats]

Its really nothing like the TW games. Its a lot slower and there are no 3d battles. I dont like the awkward mix of gameplay in the TW games they should go back to the strategy gameplay of Medieval TW 1 which was much better - concentrate on the strengths of the game ie the battles. They arent doing themselves any favours mixing it all up - TW games are dull in the strategy parts and in the end its that that puts me off playing them. If Rome 2 has the same style as ETW and RTW1 I wont be getting it.

What CA should do is drop the strategy bit entirely and do everything in pausable real time but enable you to zoom out. Every time to end a battle and go into the strategy part that is when players lose immersion in the game - well I do.

[W+M1]

Originally posted by SkagTrendy:

EU has more depth and realism

That made me laugh. I suppose if you redefine 'depth and realism' to mean 'hidden, overly complex mechanics and poorly designed UI' then yes it's true.

All the EU games at their heart are basically one 'if' statement:

if (player_doing_well) then (spawn_lots_of_random_rebellions_for_no_reason).

I bought EUIV to support Mac games development but also because as someone that owns the original EU *boardgame* I've been hoping for a proper computer version for nearly 20 years now. EUIV still isn't it.

EUIV is just a re-skin of EUIII is just a reskin of EUII is just a reskin of EU. Sad, disappointing but true.

[Senanima]

Originally posted by Nats:

Its really nothing like the TW games. Its a lot slower and there are no 3d battles. I dont like the awkward mix of gameplay in the TW games they should go back to the strategy gameplay of Medieval TW 1 which was much better - concentrate on the strengths of the game ie the battles. They arent doing themselves any favours mixing it all up - TW games are dull in the strategy parts and in the end its that that puts me off playing them. If Rome 2 has the same style as ETW and RTW1 I wont be getting it.

What CA should do is drop the strategy bit entirely and do everything in pausable real time but enable you to zoom out. Every time to end a battle and go into the strategy part that is when players lose immersion in the game - well I do.

Yeah I kinda feel this way. EU/CKII/ETC is more about the strategy of everything possible, but in Total War the turn based map stuff is super binary and doesn't contribute much to the overall strategy. It will of course affect your troops, and you have to conquer more and more to meet objectives, but there is pretty much a clear battle plan and 85% of the game is performance of the real-time battles.

I dont think there is anything wrong with that but if your preference is a lot of control from the battle themselves, then Total War it is. If you wanted a lot more control from everything else (like super amounts of control) and were often just auto-resolving battles then you may find something great here.

[Avionauta]

Originally posted by My Little Pwny:

Originally posted by SkagTrendy:

EU has more depth and realism

That made me laugh. I suppose if you redefine 'depth and realism' to mean 'hidden, overly complex mechanics and poorly designed UI' then yes it's true.

All the EU games at their heart are basically one 'if' statement:

if (player_doing_well) then (spawn_lots_of_random_rebellions_for_no_reason).

I bought EUIV to support Mac games development but also because as someone that owns the original EU *boardgame* I've been hoping for a proper computer version for nearly 20 years now. EUIV still isn't it.

EUIV is just a re-skin of EUIII is just a reskin of EUII is just a reskin of EU. Sad, disappointing but true.

I playd only EU3 before this, and really few hours, just to know if this last episode is my cup of tea. At the moment I'm trying to get used to the game, which I bought because few months ago I fallen in love for CK2.

The main concept is the same, we can't say no, indeed EU is a series, but saying it's just a "reskin" it's not entirely correct and I invite everyone reading the difference between the last 2 episodes of the game:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=86624&d=1375444887

[Nats]

The fact is in the TW games you spend 99% of your time in the strategy map part and yet 99% of the fun and the reason why everyone buys the games is beause of the battles. You'd think they would have realised this by now. Doesnt matter how big or impressive the battles are in Rome 2 if you get thrown back into the dull strategy map at the end of each battle. This is probably why I actually enjoy the custom battles and historical battles more than the campaigns in TW. I dont think I have played any of them much since MTW.

[BisnessPirate]

Originally posted by Zombie72:

Ok thanks maybe I'll bite the bullet and download the demo. "real bad conection 10 to 12 hrs for 8 gig IF it stays conected.

You will be very suprised about the size since it's only like 1200 MB.(Same size for the real game.)

[Alex The Rat]

They are very different in terms of gameplay. TW is basically about building an army and blobbing across the map. I enjoy most TW games, but they really have lacked much strategic depth Medieval TW I. It almost feels like cheating because the real time battle AI is so bad that you can make terrible strategic decisions and still win every major tactical engagement.

There are a lot of mechanics in the EU games that make it difficult to expand as quickly as TW players are used to. I was destroyed my first couple times playign EUIII because I would start a game and immediately declare war on my closest neighbor (as you always do in a TW game!) only to lose because I hadn't taken any time to forge alliances or consolidate my own position.

[HunterRose]

total war is not arcade style it is pure tactical based warfare , just as if you were a general leading your army the day you arrive on the battlefield. Yes there are factors missing , and I cannot say anything about the new campaigns in Rome Total war 2.