what year does the ottomans get hit with the negative decadence modifier?

[ShadyCloud]

i'm currently playing the mughals ~1550 on normal difficulty. i just want to know on average what year the ottomans get hit decadence so i can start my push west. thanks.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Do you mean Pasha's Decadence?

If so, it happens when your decadence reaches 100.

for more info check https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Ottomans
section 1.6 decadence:)

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Technically speaking, the Decadence mechanic is active throughout the entire campaign. However, in the Age of Discovery (beginning of the game until 10 years after the Protestant Reformation begins) they have a massive modifier of -1 Decadence per month and -50% Decadence gain, making them in practice functionally immune to it. In the Age of Reformation (starts 10 years after the Reformation begins, ends 10 years after the Global Trade Institution spawns) these bonuses are halved, making their Decadence difficult but not impossible to build up. In the Age of Abolutism (starting 10 years after Global Trade spawns, so typically 1610 or 1611), these bonuses are gone completely, and replaced with penalties increasing Decadence gain.

However, Decadence still only really starts building up if the country already has issues - low Stability, high Autonomy, over Governing Capacity, high Overextension, or disloyal subjects. So they're unlikely to actually collapse on their own, you'll have to ruthlessly beat them up first if you want internal issues to split them apart.

[Keijo]

Yes I think it works little bit like mingplosion, that you still have to beat them in a war and hope someone else attacks them aswell.

[ShadyCloud]

Originally posted by Keijo:

Yes I think it works little bit like mingplosion, that you still have to beat them in a war and hope someone else attacks them aswell.

yeah.. though i doubt the ai is brave enough to attack the ottomans unless they're completely on life support.

[ShadyCloud]

another question. is it possible to see the ottomans current decadence level as a foreign nation?

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by ShadyCloud:

another question. is it possible to see the ottomans current decadence level as a foreign nation?

You can see it slowly tick up in the age of absolutism; usually via the siege menu, where fort defense is reduced due to 'decadence'.

This is the page[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] you want to see those modifiers and calculate where they are on the decadence meter.

[ShadyCloud]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Dragon:

Originally posted by ShadyCloud:

another question. is it possible to see the ottomans current decadence level as a foreign nation?

You can see it slowly tick up in the age of absolutism; usually via the siege menu, where fort defense is reduced due to 'decadence'.

This is the page[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] you want to see those modifiers and calculate where they are on the decadence meter.

alright, i'll keep that in mind. thank you.

[Kshattriya]

Originally posted by ShadyCloud:

another question. is it possible to see the ottomans current decadence level as a foreign nation?

In the army quality comparison in the ledger, the ottomans fort defense will have the decadence modifier on it, which equals half of their current decadence. So, -25% fort defense = 50% decadence. Checking this way means you don't have to be actively sieging one of their forts to see their decadence.