Kurdistan region is unhistoric

[ancalimon]

There is problem with the map. Eastern Turkey is named Kurdistan but it never was named Kurdistan. The only Kurdistan was (and still is) in Iran (which is considered the homeland of Kurds) and even it wasn't named that way in the past.

Kurdistan province was created by the Turks in the "12th century" "in South-West Iran". That was the first time Kurdistan name was used. Before that it was named as "Arz-ı Ekrad". (I don't know what it means. It's Arabic).

During Suleiman's rule, there was a small part in far South-Eastern Anatolia in which Kurdish rulers were apoointed as beys. But they did not have the whole regions but small castles. This was a common practice in Ottomans because the Ottomans wanted to have rulers that were the most powerful in far away regions and the Kurdish beys were the most powerful there.

The name Kurdistan is a geographical name and it's not about ethicity. People that lived on theis geography regardless of their etnic identity were called Kurds and any people living on these lands were polyglot. The name Kurd has an etymology only in Turkic and it's "avalanche, dense, snow on mountains tops".

[Hel]

And now poste it to Paradox forum. ;)

[10toGo]

no politics plz

[Suspicious Melon]

OMG!! hahahahaha!! Are you a hater? =)

Coze you know it exists, just look it up ;) Sry 10toGo, not my purpose to make it to politics.

I don't think that ancalimon know more than the hole team of Paradox Development Studio, that is specialized in making history games XD

Regards, a kurd from Kurdistan in Irak :p

[ancalimon]

It's not about whether a Kurdistan region exists today or not. During those times and before that the only Kurdistan region known was in Iran near Urmia and Cibal and that name was given as a geographical name by Sanjar Khan. The people that were living in that region were called Kurds regardless of their ethnic background. So the ethnonym Kurd was not really about ethnic background but about about where those people lived in.

That place was like a meeting and melting point of ethnic people that were oppressed in their homelands.

I do not have any reason to hate anyone :) So relax.

[ancalimon]

10toGo eredeti hozzászólása:

no politics plz

This not a political post. It's a post about a geographical error.

It's like calling America as India because they thought it was India. It's just that the error here is the opposite of that.

Actually if there is any politics involved here, what Paradox is doing can be seen as a political propaganda because it is unhistorical and not real. I'm sure they are not aware that the "Greater Kurdistan" ideology is something political that aims to create a Kurdistan in every region where there is a high Kurdish population. If they were aware of this, they would have fixed it already. With this logic they might as well name parts of Germany as "Little Turkey"

[Dux]

I don't see any mentions of a Kurdistan anywhere in the game, can you be a little more specific? I tried the region mapmode and still no Kurdistan anywhere near Turkey.

[ancalimon]

Micael Fatia eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't see any mentions of a Kurdistan anywhere in the game, can you be a little more specific? I tried the region mapmode and still no Kurdistan anywhere near Turkey.

Eastern Turkey is named Kurdistan. At least that was the case last time I played it.

[Dux]

In my game Eastern Turkey is divided into a considerable number of small kingdoms none of which is named Kurdistan or has Kurdish as the primary culture. There is about 4 maybe 5 provinces all over the place (Turkey, Iraq and Azerbaijan) with Kurdish culture but that's it.

[ancalimon]

Micael Fatia eredeti hozzászólása:

In my game Eastern Turkey is divived into a considerable number of small kingdoms none of which is named Kurdistan or has Kurdish as the primary culture. There is about 4 maybe 5 provinces all over the place (Turkey, Iraq and Azerbaijan) with Kurdish culture but that's it.

I have just had a look and it looks like they fixed this with a later patch.

Eastern Anatolia became predominantly Kurdish when Yavuz Sultan Selim commited a genocide against the Turkmen Turks in Eastern Anatolia and invited Sunni Kurds from Iran to settle in those lands that no longer had a population. The remaining Alevi Turkmen fled to Iran and then converted to Shiism. The ones that stayed settled in Sivas in Turkey.

[Yow!]

I remember the area named Kurdstan as well, i know very litle of the area historical and cultural background but it seemed strange to me as well as older names werent present...

Anyway, it seems to be a bit harder to go around all hose historical backgrounds, in Brazil there is quite a few oddities, like modern names and misplaced province names...

The map seems a bit odd as well, they kinda of shortned greece and the chinese~korean coast, while keeping Greenland size, seems like they have fused mutliple world map views... Its just a feeling, i might just need to review my geographic knowledge.

[Xblur]

ancalimon eredeti hozzászólása:

Before that it was named as "Arz-ı Ekrad". (I don't know what it means. It's Arabic).

"Arz-ı Ekrad" means "the land of kurds" also known as "kurdi+stand" meaning kurdish land, or the homeland of kurds, the massive migration of huns and tatar to those areas in that era decreased the kurdish majority, but even so the kurds where and still are a majority in that region, so it is historicaly correct regardlesso of the excistance of other minorities. other cultures in that area also adobted traditions from kurdish culture through out history. and cultural cleansing of kurds is still being practiced by the conqueriers of these lands. The fact that you are using an arabic variant of the name doesn't mean your claims are right.

[ancalimon]

Xblur eredeti hozzászólása:

ancalimon eredeti hozzászólása:

Before that it was named as "Arz-ı Ekrad". (I don't know what it means. It's Arabic).

"Arz-ı Ekrad" means "the land of kurds" also known as "kurdi+stand" meaning kurdish land, or the homeland of kurds, the massive migration of huns and tatar to those areas in that era decreased the kurdish majority, but even so the kurds where and still are a majority in that region, so it is historicaly correct regardlesso of the excistance of other minorities. other cultures in that area also adobted traditions from kurdish culture through out history. and cultural cleansing of kurds is still being practiced by the conqueriers of these lands. The fact that you are using an arabic variant of the name doesn't mean your claims are right.

Well the region I was talking about is another region in Iran and not South Eastern Turkey. Besides these are not my claims but simple historical knowledge.

[Yow!]

There should be an achievement to create the kurd nation, which we might see happening in destroyed Iraqi by the end of this century.

[diokyanon]

ancalimon eredeti hozzászólása:

Xblur eredeti hozzászólása:

"Arz-ı Ekrad" means "the land of kurds" also known as "kurdi+stand" meaning kurdish land, or the homeland of kurds, the massive migration of huns and tatar to those areas in that era decreased the kurdish majority, but even so the kurds where and still are a majority in that region, so it is historicaly correct regardlesso of the excistance of other minorities. other cultures in that area also adobted traditions from kurdish culture through out history. and cultural cleansing of kurds is still being practiced by the conqueriers of these lands. The fact that you are using an arabic variant of the name doesn't mean your claims are right.

Well the region I was talking about is another region in Iran and not South Eastern Turkey. Besides these are not my claims but simple historical knowledge.

Yeah sure, "historical knowledge". You are a hater.

[Medicles]

Reported for heavy necro and then just insulting.