Succession war for throne I did not claim

[tugg]

I randomly got into a succession war for the palatinate but I have not claimed their throne. I have 0 diplomatic relations with them. Nothing. And now the whole world wants to kill me for claiming a throne I did not claim. Can I fix this somehow?

[Kagemin]

Successionw ars happen when a ruler of your dynasty dies without an heir and either someone with less prestige claimed the throne, or noone had a claim on the throne at all.
There's nothing to fix, it just sometimes happens.

Always worth it to regularly check the ruler tab to see what happens when rulers you have a royal marriage with/ share a dynasty with die.
I had a similar thing happen to me recently in my Byzantium game. Was busy fighting in the east when I suddenly got dragged into a succession war over Bremen (against a big Austria). I either white peaced or admitted defeat asap...

[tugg]

I see, I do not have to actively claim the throne then? Wish I could just admit defeat, will have to cede 4-5 provinces because the alliance against me is 10x my size :(

[neofutur]

yes claiming thrones seem to be mostly useless, I often feeel like you even have more chances to inherit thrones by just spreading your dinasty with royal marriages, but never dammaging your relations with throne claims

[Kagemin]

Throne claim is only good if you already have the samy dynasty imo.

[Vagabond]

With a claim to a throne you can convert a "Noble of your dynasty will inherit their throne" into a "personal union". If used at the right moment it is very useful. I also once used it on Burgundy and then declared war on them to enforce my claim as a pretender took over thier throne.

[tugg]

Again: I did not claim any throne whatsoever. Just got assigned a random dynasty when breaking free from Denmark as Sweden, then got into this dispute without any action of my own against 170k troops in 1490. Bleh.

[Narf]

Originally posted by Custodian:

With a claim to a throne you can convert a "Noble of your dynasty will inherit their throne" into a "personal union". If used at the right moment it is very useful. I also once used it on Burgundy and then declared war on them to enforce my claim as a pretender took over thier throne.

You don't get a casus belli to force a PU anymore unless the target country already was the same dynasty as yours. Claiming a throne is totally useless unless that is the case.

[Thrax]

Claiming throne is not useless, using it you can win some PU when king dies without heir.
Be in the same dynasty only allow you to declare war and claim it by force when he have no heir.
The only condition to claim is to have a higher pretige.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Narf:

You don't get a casus belli to force a PU anymore unless the target country already was the same dynasty as yours. Claiming a throne is totally useless unless that is the case.

If used correctly you can change another countries dynasty to yours with claim throne. Keep your eyes peeled on the succession crisis meter for old kings with no heirs

[Alex]

What happened was Denmark broke the PU because of prestige and then Swden was in the Wittlebach (spelling?) dynasty.

Palitinate, Bavaria, Denmark are in this dynasty at the start. It usually includes Norway and Sweden early to mid game. This is how it happened. It freuqently expands to Russia and sometimes Austria.

Cliaming thrones does the following:

Message: On Monarch Death Personal Union with you - Don't do this, it will create a sucession war!

Message: On Monarch Death Personal Union with NOT YOU - Claiming the throne will create a sucession war

Message: On Monarch Death A noble of your Dynasty sucesds to the throne - Changes it to a personal union for you. This is very useful and should always be attempted if their ruler is over 30.

Message: On Monarch Death A noble of NOT YOUR DYNASTY suceeds ot the throne - Changes it to a noble of your dynasty suceeding to the throne. This one is very useful because you can use it to force a PU later and worth doing.

Some interesting cases are when you claim a throne:

Regency council - no heir - YOU ALWAYS WANT TO CLAIM THRONE in this case. They will get a ruler of your dynasty. At the start of the game Poland, Hungary and Bohemia have this unique situation. Bohemia gets an event within the first 5 years to get Jiri whatever, but I've seen them get into Valois, Jagelion, Habsburg.... weird stuff happens. Hungary and Poland are pretty much no brainers, just claim them before they get a new ruler (or marry them with the highest prestige).

Regency counci - weak claim heir - Generally stupid, but if the heir dies you get a PU. This happens frequently enough to make it worth considering (those 4 year olds and hunting accidents... oh my...). Also useful for forcing a PU if you are the same dynasty.

Ruler with weak heir - Generally bad becaues you need the heir to die then the ruler to die. This is less likely to occur than the regency case. You only use this scenario to force a PU on them.

Anyways, this is my experience with claiming thrones. It's quite useful to do it becuase after 5 or 10 years the relations hit goes away. In a Songhai game I just claimed the throne of every muslim nation I could and got Morroco, some minor in India and Ottomans in a PU under me, even though I had only the holdings in Africa (all of Mali, Kanem Boru, Hausa,....)

As Portgual I frequently claim Englands throne because they have a ruler with no heir, and he is a general in a losing war... Only good can come of this!

[Mikey]

reason for bohemian rapsody dynasty:

They start off with a regency council and regency mechanics state "Get us a ruler yesterday!". Hence any nation with a royal marriage will have their dynasty elligible for the throne.

Usually this means Bohemia will get a ruler before the 1446 event of installing Jiri v Podebrad as king, and if said previous ruler came in with an heir as well that heir will still be primed as the future king after Jiri's death. It is rare but it does happen.

I've tried a couple times now as Brandenburg to get a PU with Bohemia with little success, in theory it should be possible to get a Hohenzoller on the throne just long enough for you to claim it and declare war (with Austrian support) but usually it goes either Wittelsbach (Bavaria) or Habsburg (Austria/Hungary)