Auld Alliance Reversed

[Da Rat Bastid]

Auld Alliance Reversed -- As Scotland, have France as a vassal.

Is it possible to complete this achievement if Scotland first forms Great Britain?

[Fleshhunter]

Don't risk it I say

[shoki]

achievement_auld_alliance = {
id = 100

possible = {
ironman = yes
start_date = 1444.11.11
tag = SCO
}

happened = {
has_switched_nation = no
FRA = { vassal_of = SCO }

}
}

i'm not 100% sure what "has_switched_nation = no" refers too, but i think i heard it refers to play as a released nation. So it should be possible if you form GB.

[Palmirinha do Hotdog]

Yeah, IIRC as long as your starting tag is Scotland it should be possible.

[Pozz]

I read somewhere that it due to the "FRA = { vassal:of = SCO } tag that you have to stay Scotland, so I took no chances and did. By the time I was able to create GB I was only 1 war away from vassalizing France anyways so wasn't a biggie.

[shoki]

ah, jeah, what Pozz said makes sense.
Jeah then better don't form GB. Didn't thought about that part, but if it explicity checks for SCO, you can't change your tag. Normaly it would check for ROOT, which reffers to your current nation.

If i think more about it, it should be possible to get the achievement if you form GB, then somehow loose scotland and let them vassalize france. Would be a laugh if that works.

[Pozz]

Originally posted by shoki:

ah, jeah, what Pozz said makes sense.
Jeah then better don't form GB. Didn't thought about that part, but if it explicity checks for SCO, you can't change your tag. Normaly it would check for ROOT, which reffers to your current nation.

As said I don¨t know for certain, and I got no understanding of code, it was merely what I wrote and didn´t want to take a chance :P

[Mikey]

Originally posted by shoki:

i'm not 100% sure what "has_switched_nation = no" refers too, but i think i heard it refers to play as a released nation. So it should be possible if you form GB.

Means you cannot play as a released nation it has to be your starting nation.

[niedellan]

Has GB doesn't work. Got really desapointed yesterday because of it :(

[the_panther]

FRA = { vassal_of = SCO }

This seems clear to me. France must be a vassal of SCO - scotland. Forming GB means it cannot be achieved.


has_switched_nation = no

This is common to many achievements. It means you cannot release Scotland as a vassal and switch to playing as them. It prevents you from forming GB and then later releasing Scotland.


The answer to the original post is NO. You must start as Scotland and play only as them.

[shoki]

Originally posted by the_panther:

This is common to many achievements. It means you cannot release Scotland as a vassal and switch to playing as them. It prevents you from forming GB and then later releasing Scotland.

You can release them without playing them though :>

[the_panther]

Originally posted by shoki:

You can release them without playing them though :>

That is true, but you have to make France a vassal of Scotland and get the achievement. The AI would have to pull it off, which seems rather unlikely. But perhaps not totally impossible?

[shoki]

Originally posted by the_panther:

That is true, but you have to make France a vassal of Scotland and get the achievement. The AI would have to pull it off, which seems rather unlikely. But perhaps not totally impossible?

It's not impossible, but will require some work. I would vassalize scotland, sell them some provinces with a border to france. cancel vassalization, make them ally and let them occupie france capitol. Then it should be possible to give them france as a vassal or not?

[the_panther]

Seems a lot easier to play as Scotland without forming GB, heh.