Dumb question, whats the appeal of EU5?

[iki_balam]

PDX hasnt impressed me with a lot of their recent releases (CK3, V3). I am not confident EU5 will be distinctive enough from EU4, nor a DLC bloated mess within a short time span. I'd enjoy hearing what excites people about the game, I really am open to changing my mind.

[bri]

Originally posted by Mechenyi:

Originally posted by bri:

Honestly it's already a questionable buy at best between the utter disasters of CK and Vic 3, being completely unimpressed with EU IV parches and DLC since at least 1.30, and stupidly moving the start date in entirely the wrong direction. I'll get around to reading the dev diaries and such at some point but atm it's far from the auto-preorder the prior versions from II to IV were.

I like the start date they chose personally, but I can see a few issues with it. if I’d have to guess, they chose it so ByzHeads can RP easier.

I know that's why, it doesn't make it any less stupid of a decision though (IMO of course). 80+% of balance issues in the series have been caused by catering to bad Byz players.

[LASci]

Originally posted by bri:

Honestly it's already a questionable buy at best between the utter disasters of CK and Vic 3, being completely unimpressed with EU IV parches and DLC since at least 1.30, and stupidly moving the start date in entirely the wrong direction. I'll get around to reading the dev diaries and such at some point but atm it's far from the auto-preorder the prior versions from II to IV were.

Vic3 was a disaster but CK3 has been well received. If anything it was probably one of their smoothest releases of all time. The DLC might not be the most popular however.

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by bri:

80+% of balance issues in the series have been caused by catering to bad Byz players.

There's definitely been a significant amount of such catering, yes. I'm not sure it's 80%, though :-).

[Rialm]

dynamic, pops, migration, and more importantly is new! NEW! Apart from that, let's see and wait.

[Spetsnaz]

For people asking for dynamic pop. I am against it. No that I don't think it is a cool idea and all but that it will tank preformance. Just look at stellaris and still this day it is a mess because of the pops.

Trade can be updated but not sure how because did not like the imperator way because it feels like a bit of a clunky mess to me. Still worked but don't know they would need to make something better but without being too much.

For the rest I would not be able to say what they will add. I will buy EU5 but it will be bare bones if we compare it to EU4. I just don't see what they could add. Maybe I am wrong and I will be amazed but yeah not sure.

Ck3 was a upgrade but it is in my opinion really held back by how slow the DLC release is. We are years later and trade republics and hordes are still not a thing with a lot of other stuff. We are getting there but man it will still be a couple of years till we get on the same level and that is my main problem with EU5

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by Spetsnaz:

For people asking for dynamic pop. I am against it. No that I don't think it is a cool idea and all but that it will tank preformance. Just look at stellaris and still this day it is a mess because of the pops

It's better than development where a crappy 1/1/1 dev province can become 30 in a single day. There's no way to make a decent system without adding something like a population mechanic.

[ZeroFox]

As you said their recent track record doesn't look good, so it's hard to be excited for their next products. I hope they can fix any issues they might have and deliver us great games again, but as of right now I'm not optimistic.

[BlueBangkok]

Naturally it's to have a new platform to sell $1,000 worth of DLCs on. Business-wise, it makes perfect sense.
As for gameplay, time will tell, but given PDX's track record I probably won't touch EU5 for at least 5 years after its release.

[BlueBangkok]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Dergun:

Originally posted by Spetsnaz:

For people asking for dynamic pop. I am against it. No that I don't think it is a cool idea and all but that it will tank preformance. Just look at stellaris and still this day it is a mess because of the pops

It's better than development where a crappy 1/1/1 dev province can become 30 in a single day. There's no way to make a decent system without adding something like a population mechanic.

That's debatable. The development system itself isn't bad, what's bad is that it has no construction time / cooldown associated with it. You don't need pop system to "fix" it.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Pretty much agree with Marquoz here- I want to see what they can do with an engine designed to better use resources, and I've long thought that a less static trade system would be both more historically accurate and more interesting to master.

This is a bit of a wild card. With how much content is going to be in the game and how many nations there will be, I wouldn’t be surprised if it couldn’t keep up.

[Kapika96]

I completely agree about Paradox's recent releases. It's very unlikely I'll buy EU5 at launch at this point. I just don't trust them to make it good straight out of the gate.

That said, the reasons I do still want an EU5:
Population system (haven't seen a decent population system in a game for donkey's! And no, I don't consider "pops" to be a good population system so Stellaris etc. don't count)

Dynamic trade (hoping this is in EU5. Kind of annoying that all trade is destined for England/Italy in EU4. Should definitely be able to take some of that trade to other places, and potentially make somewhere like China or India the centre of world trade instead).

Better graphics. Not something I care about that much, but could be cool to see a better looking map etc.

Better performance. EU4 does show its age at times in this regard.

New start date. I like the 1444 start, not sure whether I'll like the new one as much, but it will mean different countries, different events, different starting situations etc. I'm looking forward to trying things out in a new environment. Maybe I'll prefer the new start date, maybe it'll be about the same but that I haven't played to death, maybe I won't like it (can always go back to EU4 in that case!) but I'm looking forward to trying it out at least.

[Ixal]

Mainly trade and also modability, and what the Anbennar guys can do with it.

Also, EU4 is getting stale and everyone knows all the exploits and tricks, and that knowledge remains even when you don't want to use it.
Time for something new.

[AlienWired]

I fear that EU5 will be a consolidated version of EU4 and all of it's DLC, which means lots of things we like will be consolidated and dumbed down, and all of the things we hate will be included and made worse.

[BlueBangkok]

Originally posted by AlienWired:

I fear that EU5 will be a consolidated version of EU4 and all of it's DLC, which means lots of things we like will be consolidated and dumbed down, and all of the things we hate will be included and made worse.

Imho it's more likely that it will be a hollow shell of a game that will only get good with tons of DLC.

[AlienWired]

Originally posted by BlueBangkok:

Originally posted by AlienWired:

I fear that EU5 will be a consolidated version of EU4 and all of it's DLC, which means lots of things we like will be consolidated and dumbed down, and all of the things we hate will be included and made worse.

Imho it's more likely that it will be a hollow shell of a game that will only get good with tons of DLC.

I'm thinking more along the lines of CK3.... Lots of consolidation, minimal DLC... But you can give your ruler a double chin and watch them naked.(LOL!! I meant their being naked, not you....)