Restoration of the Republic

[Xanadu-King]

This topic also has a tie into CK2, isn't it plausible that the Roman Empire in EU4 should have its own special form of government? Perhaps not as an empire but if it became a Republic? In reality what needs to happen is that Paradox needs to give Rome some sorely overdue love. They need to make it possible for Byzantium to form the Roman Empire and create some flavorful events specifically for the Roman Empire. Maybe they could even create an event that can turn Rome back into a Republic, thus transforming it into S.P.Q.R which would have it's own special form of republican government. Any thoughts or ideas on this would be wonderful.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

The ERE trying to restore the old empire is plausible if you started in 769. It is quite unrealistic (although many players defy history) to expect it to emerge from the ashes in the fifteenth century!

If you have CK2, just form it there and convert the game. There is no realistic possibilty in my eyes that they will do this (plus the Purple Phoenix DLC focusses on the ERE anyway)

[Egor]

You got nice events for Byzantium, some history texts when you conquer land, huge restoration of old borders event, a lot of missions to conquer Italy, Tunis, Egypt and so on (with claims on it), the only Empire (+10% morale) in Europe, pentrahy event (sorry if misspelled).

If you made all the missions, you'll get close to old borders: north Africa up to Morocco, Italy, Asia Minor, Jerusalim, Balkans.

[Surimi]

The Byzantine Empire is the Roman Empire. The people who live there in 1444 call themselves Romans. The Turks who are invading them call them Romans.

As BiteNibbleChomp put it, in 769 the split between the Eastern and Western Empire and the collapse of the latter is a few centuries old. By 1444, we're coming up to a thousand years since the fall of the Western Empire. The new great powers of Western Europe aren't going to recognize some weirdo claiming to be the heir to the Western Empire, and they certainly aren't going to treat the title with any respect because it hasn't meant anything for so long.

[Egor]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

As BiteNibbleChomp put it, in 769 the split between the Eastern and Western Empire and the collapse of the latter is a few centuries old. By 1444, we're coming up to a thousand years since the fall of the Western Empire. The new great powers of Western Europe aren't going to recognize some weirdo claiming to be the heir to the Western Empire, and they certainly aren't going to treat the title with any respect because it hasn't meant anything for so long.

You are right. Thought I think after getting France, Spain, England, Italy, etc under your banner, you wouldn't care what other think:).

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

The Byzantine Empire is the Roman Empire. The people who live there in 1444 call themselves Romans. The Turks who are invading them call them Romans.

As BiteNibbleChomp put it, in 769 the split between the Eastern and Western Empire and the collapse of the latter is a few centuries old. By 1444, we're coming up to a thousand years since the fall of the Western Empire. The new great powers of Western Europe aren't going to recognize some weirdo claiming to be the heir to the Western Empire, and they certainly aren't going to treat the title with any respect because it hasn't meant anything for so long.

I'll add to this by saying that none of the great powers in Europe in 1444 existed in any 'modern' form (i.e. as a nation-state) in 476 when Rome fell. Most of them didn't even exist until the later middle ages:

France - 732 or so
Ottomans - 1300s
Sweden - ~1100
Russia/Muscowy - 1463 (EU isn't actually that accurate - probably for game balance)
Poland - 1000
England - 1066

Even by 1000 the ERE was a hulk rotting from the inside, so none of these powers would care.

[Raider Deci]

Nah, it was plausible for early starts in CK2 but in EU4 its long since dead & forgotten.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

The Byzantine Empire is the Roman Empire. The people who live there in 1444 call themselves Romans. The Turks who are invading them call them Romans.

As BiteNibbleChomp put it, in 769 the split between the Eastern and Western Empire and the collapse of the latter is a few centuries old. By 1444, we're coming up to a thousand years since the fall of the Western Empire. The new great powers of Western Europe aren't going to recognize some weirdo claiming to be the heir to the Western Empire, and they certainly aren't going to treat the title with any respect because it hasn't meant anything for so long.

Actually, the HRE is the "Heir to the Empire". Hence why the emperor was ordained by the Pope as "Emperor of the Romans"


On the subject though, would be nice if Byz had a way of reforming the Empire rather than just the eastern half of it, much like it does in CK2 with claims on all lands formerly Roman

[Xanadu-King]

But my big question is not purely about remaking the Roman Empire from Byzantium in EU4. It is more about the government of Rome. If you do happen to remake Rome in CK2 and then convert it over to EU4 shouldn't it get its own, special government, form? I mean it is ROME for crying out loud. Hell they had a constitution before most of the world even knew what the hell that was. In my opinion, if you are boss enough to reform the Roman Empire in CK2 and convert it over to EU4, you should be gifted with two special forms of government. One for the Empire, and the other for the Republic.

[Surimi]

Originally posted by Mikehsan:

Actually, the HRE is the "Heir to the Empire". Hence why the emperor was ordained by the Pope as "Emperor of the Romans"

A good point. However, I still question whether the title would have meant anything in 1444.

[Raider Deci]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

Originally posted by Mikehsan:

Actually, the HRE is the "Heir to the Empire". Hence why the emperor was ordained by the Pope as "Emperor of the Romans"

A good point. However, I still question whether the title would have meant anything in 1444.

It might had some truth to it with charlemange and the first emperors after him, but in 1444? Nah. And I doubt the habsburgers cared about an old & long since dead empire