Is there a special event to form Finland...?

[Dux]

Ok the weirdest thing ever just happened in my current game, I don't have AoW yet so this is just with the patch. Also this is a new save (started a couple hours ago).
So basically Novgorod took one hell of a beating from Muscovy as usual, and after the war due to having a broken country the Finnish culture Kexholm province revolted. The result? The Finnish army took over the province, and much thanks to the instability in Novgorod (peasant revolts etc) they managed to hold the province a considerable time. Sweden is, as everyone knows, the country with the most Finnish culture provinces, and Sweden too had one Finnish province being controlled by rebels, but in Sweden's case Noble Rebels. Plus from what I could see (Fog of War so not much) the Swedish army was already in the process of recovering said province.
Well I got into a War against Naples and Aragon (playing as the Papal States) which was a lot of fun mainly because I managed to get lucky to the point I'm allied with France, Castille and Austria (not even joking lol). Basically Aragon got steamrolled. Crimea declares war on Genoa, Austria jumps into to the defence of the Empire and asks for my help. No biggie, Venice is part of the war too and their fleet basically demolishes the Ottoman fleet, so no danger of having to deal with Turks in my little corner of Italy. So I'm like super entertained with both wars, years start passing and BAM! Message informing me Finland declared independence! "Well, expected" I thought to myself, went to check the newly formed country and to my surprise... Kexholm still belongs to Novgorod. Finland consists of Savolax, Viborg, Österbotten, Tavastland, Nyland, Filand and Aland. All former Swedish provinces, and this isn't really shocking, unexpected maybe due to being something that rarely happens, but wait - Filand and Aland (the little island province between Stockholm and Finland) are of Swedish culture.
Sweden was stable last I checked and managed to lose the entire Finnish area including two provinces of Swedish culture and Novgorod that was basically destroyed managed to keep Kexholm? What the hell just happened? Is this a glitch? Do rebellions work in a different manner now? Like is it possible Sweden just gave up and gave independence to the Finnish rebels that may have been wrecking havoc in their lands? But why did they take Finland and Aland (again both provinces with Swedish culture at the start of the game) too?

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Some countries will form depending on the culture group for instance in greece, greece can form from rebellions and if you accept demands in the stability tab you will release the nation if its nationalists or patriots instead of what it was like before where you would accept demands and nothing would happen except the prestige hit and extra nationalism. Im guessing that they took the provinces because they managed to siege it and win but other than that unless they are cores i dont know.

[ShadoWwolF]

this happens to the AI a lot with the new rebellion system actually. nations that have a lot of cores will manage to rise from the dead from even large AI nations if they end up in a situation where they have a lot of unrest in their provinces. it can happen to you too if you're not careful but at least humans are smarter about dealing with it

[Dux]

I don't see why Finnish rebels would siege provinces with Swedish culture. :s
Plus Sweden is currently part of the Kalmar Union still, and both Denmark and Norway are doing good in the game. Just doesn't make any sense, even if Sweden had lost her armies due to whatever reason Denmark and Norway would have rushed to clear the rebels and recover the lost provinces.

[ShadoWwolF]

Originally posted by Micael Fatia:

I don't see why Finnish rebels would siege provinces with Swedish culture. :s
Plus Sweden is currently part of the Kalmar Union still, and both Denmark and Norway are doing good in the game. Just doesn't make any sense, even if Sweden had lost her armies due to whatever reason Denmark and Norway would have rushed to clear the rebels and recover the lost provinces.

because those provinces im pretty sure are still finlands cores at the start so thats why they took them. they took every core province sweden had

[Dux]

Ah so Finland and Aland are core provinces of Finland at the start of the game now? Well that explains it I guess. Still pretty shocked this happened considering the unions between the three Scandinavian countries is in a pretty good shape in my game.

[Mikey]

may be sweden tried an independence war and lost, denmark in all of its lacking logic decided the atonement for the war was to force sweden to release finland.
Both Åland and Finland are finnish cores afaik

[ShadoWwolF]

Originally posted by Micael Fatia:

Ah so Finland and Aland are core provinces of Finland at the start of the game now? Well that explains it I guess. Still pretty shocked this happened considering the unions between the three Scandinavian countries is in a pretty good shape in my game.

im pretty sure they've always been core provinces of finland, especially the province of finland.

also im not shocked at all, as i said this happens a lot with the new rebellion system because rebellions can be really large when its a lot of provinces revolting together and denmark and sweden have pathetically low forcelimits at the start. to add to that denmark is always busy fighting wars to help with swedens rebels

[Dux]

Denmark has no truce flag so highly doubt they've been involved in any wars lately lol. Finnish provinces don't have very high base tax, don't think they can field an army that big.

[Dux]

Also I've played as Sweden and Norway a few times before the patch and I'm fairly sure Finland and Aland had no Finnish cores. I'm sur eof this because I've always thought it was funny Finland itself was not considered a Finnish core due to having Swedish culture.

[ShadoWwolF]

Originally posted by Micael Fatia:

Also I've played as Sweden and Norway a few times before the patch and I'm fairly sure Finland and Aland had no Finnish cores.

its been a long time since ive played denmark but i thought i remember them being cores. it wouldve been silly if they werent

looking at the cores in game now both of those provinces have cores but expire in 1494 so maybe thats why you dont remember them. they expire pretty quickly (because they arent finnish culture so they expire over time)

i like the new rebel system though just because things like this happen. you see more nations revolt and form that normally you never wouldve seen in previous versions unless you released them

[Dux]

Out of curiosity how strong are the rebellions usually? I've been wasting lots of military power to put down rebellion % and grating autonomy to conquered provinces like a madman out of fear a rebellion means a huge army appears in every province related to said rebellion. Like if three 12k armies appeared in three of my provinces when I only have a 12k army too I'd be pretty much screwed.
Rebellions were easy to deal with in the past, now I'm not so sure.

[ShadoWwolF]

Originally posted by Micael Fatia:

Out of curiosity how strong are the rebellions usually? I've been wasting lots of military power to put down rebellion % and grating autonomy to conquered provinces like a madman out of fear a rebellion means a huge army appears in every province related to said rebellion. Like if three 12k armies appeared in three of my provinces when I only have a 12k army too I'd be pretty much screwed.
Rebellions were easy to deal with in the past, now I'm not so sure.

the stacks are usually smaller than your forcelimit so you can deal with them individually easy enough as long as they dont group up. the problem is that they're still large and they spawn a stack in all the provinces that had unrest and were associated with the revolt. so if its a large number of provinces then theres going to be a large number of rebel stacks that will siege everything down while you're dealing with each one individually. the biggest threat is in early game when you just dont have enough manpower to deal with them all. small revolts of just 2 or 3 provinces are easy to handle but large revolts of half your nation arent

[Dux]

Yeah figured it would be something of the sort. It's a problem when my nation consists of three Papal provinces and whole Naples + Sicily who still have nationalism.

[Chr!570ph3r]

So 'espionage' is even better now?