Demanding vassals to change religion

[NordicWildheart]

Why can't I demand/ask my vassal to change religion? Don't want to go to war with them because of that, as I have 200 relation with them.

[NordicWildheart]

This feature should be put into the game (at least I haven't noticed that it would be right now).

[Kuki]

so you want a free religion-change? too easy imo

[Palmirinha do Hotdog]

Originally posted by Kuki:

so you want a free religion-change? too easy imo

If I am the overlord of the guy, yeah, that would be kinda expected. Liberty desire and unrest in the country should logically increase, tho.

[Kago™².]

I agree, overlords should be given the option to force their vassals to become their religion with the cost of liberty desire and a negative relation with the country, like when you are the HRE emperor and demand a country to switch religion.

[NordicWildheart]

Originally posted by Cago™².:

I agree, overlords should be given the option to force their vassals to become their religion with the cost of liberty desire and a negative relation with the country, like when you are the HRE emperor and demand a country to switch religion.

This.

[Palmirinha do Hotdog]

Originally posted by TsarAlexis:

Originally posted by Sorry,CAPS:

This.

The AI 99% of time refuses this demand and then the Emperor must use war to force religion

Not really, as long as you manage to make your religion the Empire's one true faith you pretty much just need to have good-ish relations with them. By the time the Religious Wars ended in my current Austria Playthrough there were only 6 non-Catholic nations, and I peacefully convinced all of them to convert.

[Palmirinha do Hotdog]

Yes, and that is logical. That would be a time of great unrest and rebellion. When you are part of the Protestant League, a league of countries protecting your right to be Protestant, why should you listen to the Emperor? When the Religious Wars end, without the safety net, converting makes sense. Just like a vassal that is very likely at the whims of his overlord(as most of the time, in-game, you need to be vastly superior to vassalize another country) won't really have a safety net unless there are other disatisfied vassals. In that case, the Liberty Desire mechanic already provides a simulation of such safety net.

[Palmirinha do Hotdog]

You wouldn't have to mess with it directly, but you will still have to help your vassal put down rebellions, plus unrest and increased Liberty Desire. If your vassal does not have Religious ideas, or NIs directed at conversion, he will have a hard time, possibly a harder time than you would have, and if he has Humanist he will likely not really try at all. I've seen Greece and the Western Balkans remain pretty much entirely orthodox under the Ottoman Empire(who pick Humanist as one of the first ideas) for nearly the entire game. The only real pre-requisite would be to make it so the vassal's capital isn't automatically converted.

[NordicWildheart]

I diplo-annexed two Italian states as Savoy. They were both Catholic as me from the vassalization start, but then two of them converted to Protestantism due to the "Center of Reformation" or whatever it is called, before the upcoming religious war. Would like to demand them back to Catholicism.

[Road to Herald]

i like this idea you should be able to do that

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by TsarAlexis:

Originally posted by Kaiser Fred VIII:

Yes, and that is logical. That would be a time of great unrest and rebellion. When you are part of the Protestant League, a league of countries protecting your right to be Protestant, why should you listen to the Emperor? When the Religious Wars end, without the safety net, converting makes sense. Just like a vassal that is very likely at the whims of his overlord(as most of the time, in-game, you need to be vastly superior to vassalize another country) won't really have a safety net unless there are other disatisfied vassals. In that case, the Liberty Desire mechanic already provides a simulation of such safety net.

Yes I agree but the OP is looking for a mechanic that would get rid of the requirement to have to manually convert the annexed vassals provinces to his state religion I imagine. That is why I argue it would be to easy and gamey for an option to just have your vassal convert, since then after you annex them you wouldn't have to mess with any of the religious conversion mechanics of the game.

Why would it be too easy? It's not exactly far-fetched to think that an overlord might demand that their subject convert to the true faith. That's called realism.

[EQCR]

religious ideas, holy war, force religion.

[I Hate it Here]

It doesn't have to be free. Forcing a religion change of your vassal should boost liberty desire by a LOT. Maybe throw in 50 diplo points as well? There are ways to make it an option without making vassaling an OP system (which it already is, considering it's too easy to Vassal feed right now.)

[Oldking]

Am I missing someting here?
If you're in the same religious group you can force a vassal to change religion at the cost of 50% liberty desire.

[Ten Year Old Squeaker]

You should have gone to war with them and forced religion BEFORE adding them as a vassal. Just don't take any cores away from them, or you will have to wartime vassal them as soon as the truce breaks... and that's if the AI doesn't see that small nation without troops as an expansion target. If you have big coffers, throw 500 - 1000 ducats their way so they can rebuild their army faster. Just a thought,