"Wants your provinces"

[SGT.SMASH]

How do you stop a nation "wanting your provinces"? It gets a -200 diplomatic penalty in the relations window which is pretty harsh!

[Tyrendian89]

well if they want it they want it... not a lot you can do about it... (well except give the provinces in question to them by losing them in the war that might follow :P)

[bjornvermeulen4]

What nation are you playing as? Who wants them?

Theres just some things thaty are unavoidable.

[Welcome to Idiocracy 2023]

In EUIV an alliance is never lasting forever this is one of the worst mechanics in my opinion...

Be ready to switch sides whenever you can!

Once I crushed the Kebab, Poland&Lithuania & all Hordes together with my noble ally Russia while i was Byzantium.
We were the only Orthodox nations in the world. We erased all our common enemies. The remaining catholic superpowers would be the next. The orthodox brothers were ready for WC!
200+ and always friendly attitude....

But what derp Russia wanted when we had common borders?

HE WANTED ALL MY PROVINCES AND RIVALED ME!

This Derp AI allied France and Austria both his former rivals....

The glorious restored Roman Empire was crushed by catholic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and their monkey Russia...

How much I hate this stupid WANT ALL YOUR PROVINCES FOR THE LULZ mechanic...

They should add a historic friends modifier after 100-200years allied where the stupid AI is unable to backstab me...

[Tyrendian89]

it's not like any smart player wouldn't betray an AI when they want their land and it's an opportune time... and in history there weren't many alliances that lasted through the entire EU4 timeframe...

[the_panther]

If it is a single province, you can just sell it to them.

As Golden Horde, I vassalized Georgia who controlled one Armenia province. Suddenly, my steadfast ally Ottomans got the mission to conquer all of Armenia. So I integrated Georgia and sold them the province in question before they broke our long-standing alliance, I followed this by declaring war on QQ and awarding the Ottos all Armenia provinces.

When you get the -200 'want all of your provinces', there is not much you can do about it, That is pretty much a declaration of war, and the AI thinks they can take you out. It will go away with time if the AI does not act on it, especially if you get some strong allies quickly enough.

It will almost never happen unless you share a border. Even having a vassal between you and your ally can sometimes prevent this sort of thing, though they can still get the want your provinces of your vassal. Also, you need to be aware (making it a popup like I do) when your ally cancels a rivalry with some key nearby powerful country like Austria. That is the first warning sign.

It is quite equivalent to a human player backstabbing a long time ally simply because you think you can take them out.

[Pyo-N]

Still pretty strange mechanics for me, i played as Netherlands, allied France for over 100 or more years, we both trust each others utterly, and then France broke alliance because they desire Brabant and Limbourg, but only for few years and they didn't declare war on me. But now i can't ally them back because stupid Violates Treaty of Tordesillas opinion malus.

[CEO of Spearfighting]

Well, that's still better than a human player that would want ALL provinces. :^)

[Kagemin]

Originally posted by Loli4Life:

Still pretty strange mechanics for me, i played as Netherlands, allied France for over 100 or more years, we both trust each others utterly, and then France broke alliance because they desire Brabant and Limbourg, but only for few years and they didn't declare war on me. But now i can't ally them back because stupid Violates Treaty of Tordesillas opinion malus.

That might have been because France got a militaristic leader during that time. The type of leader can make a very big difference in a lot of things.

[Egor]

I would only add that my strategy is to know today borders (eu4 kings google it I guess, lol) and missions of countries. Like Ottos wanting Caffa as a used to be part of Byzantium. You can find out missions in eu4 wiki. And avoid disputed provinces without proper alliances.

[Nyatasha]

The AI - Like yourself will have certain goals.
You wanting to form Prussia? You're essentially on a -200 opinion for Poland and Teutons even if they try to be your friends.

This applies to the Ai.
It wants land that you own, they can probably get another alliance to expand their own interest.

[SGT.SMASH]

I'm playing as britain and the USA want every bleeding province I own. Seems abit silly.

[mss73055]

Something's going wrong when I get this demand for 300 provinces. At least its tooltip made me laugh.

[Welcome to Idiocracy 2023]

Originally posted by SGT.SMASH:

I'm playing as britain and the USA want every bleeding province I own. Seems abit silly.

You know that the US was a former uk colony?
It was their most important one and they fought some really bloody wars because they tried to get it back!

They have even burned people in their churches because they have made the mistake to not accept british occupation!

Looks like their claims are historically correct...

That the US and UK are best buddies and having fun to declare imbecile wars on every country they did not like are what they are doing since around 100 years.

Before that the island monkeys called themselves even the kings of France and they tried to steal Hannover from Germany. They were the opinion that the US are still their colony...

[Mikoshi]

My problem with the "desires your provinces" malus, is that it is not proportional at all.

If I was a one province minor and my buddy super france suddenly decided he wanted to take me over, I could see a huge malus. But two super powers, lets say france, and mega spain have been allied for several hundred years, and suddenly france decides they want a single province, or even 4 provinces from spain. The base tax of those provinces as a percentage of either france or spain is going to be sub 10%.

So why is the malus going to be equivalent to a diplomat focused on raising relations, royal marriage, AND an active alliance?

I understand kind of from a gameplay perspective WHY they did this, but it's also incredibly annoying when I want to play a nation that actually honor's it's alliances.

[Egor]

Originally posted by Mikoshi:

My problem with the "desires your provinces" malus, is that it is not proportional at all.

So why is the malus going to be equivalent to a diplomat focused on raising relations, royal marriage, AND an active alliance?

I understand kind of from a gameplay perspective WHY they did this, but it's also incredibly annoying when I want to play a nation that actually honor's it's alliances.

In my theodorian run Poland who was my nearly day one ally and loved me with relations around 150-200 suddenly decided that they want two of my Bohemian provinces although polish monarch was a diplomat. This provinces gave -18 relations so I thought it doesn't matter. But from time this -30 became -149, Poland broke our allience, stared to see me a hostile. AND all this time I was trying to sell this two provinces for 0 gold and Poland was refusing! Just don't get it.