No peace = -1 stability ?

[Kago™².]

Im having a weird bug in my current portuguese gameplay. Im currently in a war against Austria and Spain. Everytime I recive a peace offer and I reject it I get a -1 stability hit. Dafuq?! That cant be normal because I went from 2 to -1 and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ austrians keep sending me peace offers that I dont want. If I continue rejecting I'll end up having problems. I also loose stability if I break an alliance. I dont remember this thing to be a feature of any patches. Anyone else getting this stupid bug? (because it has to be a bug)

[samthecoy]

This happens if you refuse a peace offer that is much better than you'd normally expect. If you refuse a 'very good' offer you lose 1 stab.

[Kago™².]

But Im winning the war

[Surimi]

If a peace offer is substantially below your current warscore and you reject it, you take a stability hit. At -3 stability you are forced to accept the next offer. It's to prevent you just sitting around until your enemy gets bored or gets in another war.

If you're winning I'm not sure. Has the war been going on for a really long time?

[Kago™².]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

If a peace offer is substantially below your current warscore and you reject it, you take a stability hit. At -3 stability you are forced to accept the next offer. It's to prevent you just sitting around until your enemy gets bored or gets in another war.

If you're winning I'm not sure. Has the war been going on for a really long time?

Not really, while Im conquering the castilian lands in south america, castille is conquering my lands in portugal but at the same time france is destroying austria and castille. SO i dont know what is going on.

[c00lizz]

You have a negative warscore. Colonies contribute very little to warscore, your homelands contribute a lot. This might be hidden a bit if you're not the warleader.

[Alta ♥]

You gotta provide a screenshot here all we have is your word.

[Kago™².]

Originally posted by Tha Pink Guy:

You gotta provide a screenshot here all we have is your word.

Sorry, I went mad and deleted the save but it might be what c00lizz said. Austria invaded my homeland while I was busy with the castilian colonies then Austria asked for peace but the total war score was +20

[[F@KeR*]]

Originally posted by Cago™².:

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

If a peace offer is substantially below your current warscore and you reject it, you take a stability hit. At -3 stability you are forced to accept the next offer. It's to prevent you just sitting around until your enemy gets bored or gets in another war.

If you're winning I'm not sure. Has the war been going on for a really long time?

Not really, while Im conquering the castilian lands in south america, castille is conquering my lands in portugal but at the same time france is destroying austria and castille. SO i dont know what is going on.

you have minus warscore i guess

if you have the modifier "call for peace" and you reject the peaceoffer you lose 1 stability if you refuse it too many times

[Kago™².]

Originally posted by F@KeR*:

Originally posted by Cago™².:

Not really, while Im conquering the castilian lands in south america, castille is conquering my lands in portugal but at the same time france is destroying austria and castille. SO i dont know what is going on.

you have minus warscore i guess

if you have the modifier "call for peace" and you reject the peaceoffer you lose 1 stability if you refuse it too many times

I didnt have the "call for peace" thing, we were winning. I just kept having the -1 stability for any peace deal they offered. I assumed it was a bug so I deleted the savegame. Now I regret it because i could show a screenshot.

[Kagemin]

As far as I know (might have been changed in one of the more recent patches) the "Call for Peace" mechanic and losing stability from decline peace offers are two own things.
You can get Call for Peace on the winning side too (I'd even say that's more common) if there hasn't been much progress for a while and you control the wargoal, but you "only" gain an increasing amount of warscore for that.

Losing stability from a peace offer happens if you are losing and decline a peace offer that says something along the lines of "this peace deal is much better than is to be expected, if we decline it will cause turmoil in our nation", which happens if the deal is much cheaper than the current warscore (Iirc 40?).
You can do the same to the AI in theory, but they should just accept the offer under any circumstances.

[Mikoshi]

It sounds like what happened was the following:

Your "side" was winning the war, but you individually, had negative warscore from losing your homeland to invasion. If you personally are losing, and they send you offers, but refuse, you will take stability hits if the offer was better than what they could have asked for. For instance, if you had -50 warscore, but they ask for the equivalent of say 25 warscore, but you say no, stab hit time(I don't know the specific numbers).

[Kago™².]

Originally posted by Mikoshi:

It sounds like what happened was the following:

Your "side" was winning the war, but you individually, had negative warscore from losing your homeland to invasion. If you personally are losing, and they send you offers, but refuse, you will take stability hits if the offer was better than what they could have asked for. For instance, if you had -50 warscore, but they ask for the equivalent of say 25 warscore, but you say no, stab hit time(I don't know the specific numbers).

Yeh, I think that that is totally what happened. So it wasnt a bug after all. It never happened to be before, and I have almost 1000 hours of gameplay. I lost my savegame in a rage attack...Now I feel so stupid. Thanks for all the answers :D

[Fleshhunter]

If someone offers you a peace deal of -40 of the current warscore and if you decline instant -1 stab...This is mostly for Multiplayer

[c00lizz]

Originally posted by Cago™².:

Originally posted by Mikoshi:

It sounds like what happened was the following:

Your "side" was winning the war, but you individually, had negative warscore from losing your homeland to invasion. If you personally are losing, and they send you offers, but refuse, you will take stability hits if the offer was better than what they could have asked for. For instance, if you had -50 warscore, but they ask for the equivalent of say 25 warscore, but you say no, stab hit time(I don't know the specific numbers).

Yeh, I think that that is totally what happened. So it wasnt a bug after all. It never happened to be before, and I have almost 1000 hours of gameplay. I lost my savegame in a rage attack...Now I feel so stupid. Thanks for all the answers :D

It's one of those things that most players doesn't know about because you only run into when you are losing a war. And most players tend to favour strong european's and quickloading. :)

[Fat Budda]

I wasn't playing EU4 from a long time and this is just... ridiculous. It happened to me to be called in a war and, while my allies were winning, I was trying to survive, loosing some lands. After a while my warscore was -20% and they started to just SPAM those peace offers. I lost all stability.

So, now. The idea is not so bad. I mean, if I plan to just sit somewhere waiting the enemy to get tired, it would be ridiculous and maybe not very realistic. But if my coalition is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ winning the war and my lands are not ALL conquered. If I refuse a peace treaty nothing should happen. It's like Hitlers is invanding Russia, the allies are loosing the war, 1/4 (or 1/5) of the country is under enemy occupation and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Stalin is forced to accept peace. No. Not at all! This is unrealistic. I want to fight till my last territory and if my allies are kicking enemy's ass, I pretend to be able to hold on till the end.

For what I remember, the game has changed too much. Now it's too difficult to play ironman.