Enemy armies march over other countries without access?

[Perogi]

I'm fighting Portugal and France, and my strategy basically hinged on France not being able to move troops into Portugal. I have naval superiority and Spain is a rival of France, so I figured I could prevent French troops from reaching the front. Except a few months into the war, France just marches across Spain anyway and slaughters me, even though France DID NOT have military access through Spain (I was checking constantly just in case). What the ♥♥♥♥ is this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[IndirectHero]

Originally posted by TsarAlexis:

After the last patch if you give access to a nation, any nation who declares war on that nation get auto access through you. Lame I know and hopefully they change it. It is designed to keep the human player from doing exploits to the AI.

Ah, that explains why I was able to cross other nations without asking for access.

[Kagemin]

You still may need it to reach places, like a 3rd nation blocking the land between you and your target, or disconnected parts of your realm. All it does now is preventing one side from having their troops in a place the other side can't reach.

[RED]

FUBAR! The control over mil access is a powerfull diplomatic tool as well as a strategy. Imagine the joke of joke of Austrian army steadily marching through France to wage war on Spain. :) The though alone is ludicrious.

[Mabdarogan]

So military access has almost gone the same irrelevant path as loans, I understand that it's hard but I wish they could figure out better ways of dealing with players exploiting the AI.

[Kitten Food]

The new system works, but it does need to be altered. Basically, make sure you do not take/give access unless it is necessary. Revoke it as soon as you can just in case you forget later.

Armies marching into other nations lands to get to other conflicts was not uncommon before global politics (still happens). It would be great to see penalties applied to the nations that are "tresspassing" without a formal access treaty. Increased attrition, relationship penalty, lowered supply train or AE for each provinces tresspassed are some ideas that come to mind.

[Heysus]

If we're honest, this is how it would have been in real life. Nation's only really observed diplomatic engagements during peace-time; war-time meant you could do whatever you wanted.

[Anva]

Originally posted by Kite:

The new system works, but it does need to be altered. Basically, make sure you do not take/give access unless it is necessary. Revoke it as soon as you can just in case you forget later.

Armies marching into other nations lands to get to other conflicts was not uncommon before global politics (still happens). It would be great to see penalties applied to the nations that are "tresspassing" without a formal access treaty. Increased attrition, relationship penalty, lowered supply train or AE for each provinces tresspassed are some ideas that come to mind.

Thats what I'd like to see.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by Heysus:

If we're honest, this is how it would have been in real life. Nation's only really observed diplomatic engagements during peace-time; war-time meant you could do whatever you wanted.

Doesn't make it fun for the player. There have been plenty of concessions made for the sake of interesting gameplay, and this is one that needs to be fixed. We don't need military access becoming as pointless as offering loans.

I should be able to demand that someone either move their troops back the way they came, and not toward any other nations but their own, or their troops will be considered hostile, and fair game for my troops to engage. That should also /not/ give the opposing country the right to attack my troops, and their troops should be forbidden from crossing the borders again without a formal declaration of war, as they were the aggressor, marching into my territory without permission. If anything, they'd be lucky to not get an immediate declaration of war from me, for tresspassing in the first place.

[Heysus]

It is fun for the players still, players just need be more adaptable... I was Portugal and took on Castile (Spain) and France by allying with whoever their rivals were (though never at the same time, that is suicide). Hoping for military access as a shield against an army of 100K is not realistic, even as a concession for gameplay. Might as well play Risk...

[Sir Tapkomet of Canterlot]

It seemed to be the same back when I started playing in January. Declare war on a nation, and you get auto access with all nearby nations except for those that really hate you.

[RId]

This makes no sense. I give military access to my allies. With that strange military access rule that means that every enemy of my allies may cross my territory to attack my allies.
When my ally does not call me to arms it does not necessarily mean that I want help his enemy by letting him cross my country... That really needs a fix.

[Metal Izanagi]

Originally posted by RIddIcK:

This makes no sense. I give military access to my allies, that means that every enemy of my allies may cross my territory to attack my allies.
When my ally does not call me to arms it does not necessarily mean that I help his enemy by letting him cross my country... That really needs a fix.

Agreed, but it most likely won't get fixed. I haven't been able to find a way to mod the way that MA works, either. :\ Would've been nice if Paradox had just made it an option to either use the new MA system, or keep the old one.

[Agent Smith]

I actually think its a good idea, makes things a lot more fair and less sketchy. Though I admit there are times during wars I want access blocked to certain enemy countries so I can deal with their allies first, and even though the country blocking access is their rival/enemy they always managed to get past them because some stupid ally unnecessarily asks for military access when they don't even have any intentions of getting anywhere near the land they requested access too. Can be frustrating.

[Legionary Guard]

I once had an Austrian stack marching through me (Brandenburg) because they were at war with Denmark and they had MA through me.

I kinda told Austria to GTFO or die.

They said "Eff you northern barbarians"

I declared a No CB war on them to expel the tresspassers.

Cue every nation in Europe, from France to Castille to the Ottomans to Muscovy to Byzantium joining in a coalition against me. Half of them didn't even like Austria.

[eye81]

in all honestly tho this is a god send for when your a minor in the HRE.