Ottoman flag changing

[bokatanminikkus]

I think Ottoman can get I flag update because the turks put moon on their flag on every continent they rule like in begin its one moon and later with full dominance in anatolia and africa 3 moons like the flag in Kanuni Suleiman .

[RCMidas]

You appreciate that although their cultural relevance to the world is the same, Turks are not Americans? They don't add stars to their flags when their territory expands, because the star is a symbol of their faith. Plus the Ottomans never changed their flag to begin with, and this game is already ahistorical enough as it is.

[Snizzlet]

There is apparently some controversy regarding what flag/banner/COA the Ottomans should use in this time period. Enough that I have seen multiple different mods that attempt to fix this. OP, you are welcome to browse the workshop for one of these.

More directly to OP's point, no, there is no mechanism to allow a changing flag in a single playthrough. It could be done, at great expense (labor) but it would come at the cost of making muliple new TAGs each with their own flag, and probably an event or decision with conditions like (own a core stated area on x number of continents) that causes the tag change. Highly unlikely to be worth it, but if you think it is, no one can stop you from making a mod that does that.

[Preacher]

Publicado originalmente por RCMidas:

You appreciate that although their cultural relevance to the world is the same, Turks are not Americans? They don't add stars to their flags when their territory expands, because the star is a symbol of their faith.

lol what does that have to do with anything?

[RCMidas]

Publicado originalmente por Preacher:

Publicado originalmente por RCMidas:

You appreciate that although their cultural relevance to the world is the same, Turks are not Americans? They don't add stars to their flags when their territory expands, because the star is a symbol of their faith.

lol what does that have to do with anything?

He wants to change a flag based on expansion. The Turks don't do that. It has everything to do with it. QED

[Narrowmind]

I could have sworn you put ARMENIANS the first time I read your post. Had no idea wtf you were talking about. LOL

[bokatanminikkus]

Publicado originalmente por RCMidas:

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lol what does that have to do with anything?

He wants to change a flag based on expansion. The Turks don't do that. It has everything to do with it. QED

The turks did that And yes the turks had the flag always in 1300 we already had the flag in the current time but the moon represent of qonquering Istanbul and that why we adopted the moon , after that every continent was a moon dont teach history to me I'm turkish..

[RCMidas]

Try as I might, I *can't* teach history to Turks. You finished kicking out all the competent people in 1923. The Greeks west, the Armenians east, and the Kurds south. The few of each group you left alive that is.

[Hugh de Salle]

Publicado originalmente por bokatanminikkus:

Publicado originalmente por RCMidas:

He wants to change a flag based on expansion. The Turks don't do that. It has everything to do with it. QED

The turks did that And yes the turks had the flag always in 1300 we already had the flag in the current time but the moon represent of qonquering Istanbul and that why we adopted the moon , after that every continent was a moon dont teach history to me I'm turkish..

That's not strictly true the crescent and star depictions comes from the coins of the Byzantine empire around the 4th Century AD the actual crescent was painted onto Christian Saints shields with stars around the Saint the Turks simply copied it.

Of course i don't expect you to believe me Turkey has its own History separate from the rest of the world.

[LES GOLD]

Publicado originalmente por Hugh de Salle:

Publicado originalmente por bokatanminikkus:

The turks did that And yes the turks had the flag always in 1300 we already had the flag in the current time but the moon represent of qonquering Istanbul and that why we adopted the moon , after that every continent was a moon dont teach history to me I'm turkish..

That's not strictly true the crescent and star depictions comes from the coins of the Byzantine empire around the 4th Century AD the actual crescent was painted onto Christian Saints shields with stars around the Saint the Turks simply copied it.

Of course i don't expect you to believe me Turkey has its own History separate from the rest of the world.

This information is also not correct. The star and crescent symbol on Byzantine coins was already used by the Sumerians, Sassanids, Sogdians and Buddhist Turks. The moon symbol alone was one of the symbols of Tengrism. There is no historical evidence that the Ottomans copied it from Byzantium. During the Ottoman conquests, the crescent and star were not a very common symbol among the Byzantines. Until the 19th century, the Ottomans used only crescents or three crescents. The Ottomans adopted the crimson moon-star flag as the official flag in the 19th century(Tanzimat era). Apparently they waited a long time to copy symbols from Byzantium lol

[Hugh de Salle]

Publicado originalmente por WHITE TOROS:

Publicado originalmente por Hugh de Salle:

That's not strictly true the crescent and star depictions comes from the coins of the Byzantine empire around the 4th Century AD the actual crescent was painted onto Christian Saints shields with stars around the Saint the Turks simply copied it.

Of course i don't expect you to believe me Turkey has its own History separate from the rest of the world.

This information is also not correct. The star and crescent symbol on Byzantine coins was already used by the Sumerians, Sassanids, Sogdians and Buddhist Turks. The moon symbol alone was one of the symbols of Tengrism. There is no historical evidence that the Ottomans copied it from Byzantium. During the Ottoman conquests, the crescent and star were not a very common symbol among the Byzantines. Until the 19th century, the Ottomans used only crescents or three crescents. The Ottomans adopted the crimson moon-star flag as the official flag in the 19th century(Tanzimat era). Apparently they waited a long time to copy symbols from Byzantium lol

It was the symbol of the Greek god Artemis and used by the ancient kingdom of Pontus that pre-date all those nations mentioned in your post

The Romans were the first western nation to mass produce coins all goods in the middle east was paid for in Roman Gold and Silver.

Their are images online that show Roman coins dating from 200BC that show the Star & Crescent because the Romans themselves copied Greek coins as did the Persians when Cyrus the great conquered Western Anatolia.

Although i do agree the Moon and Stars even pre-dated the Greeks in Temples and such it was far easier to copy a coin because in many instances it was the first sight of such symbols you didn't have to be at the site to see it.

Their is no doubt both Islam and Turks copied the symbol from the Romans who in turn copied it from the Greeks.

[Preacher]

Publicado originalmente por RCMidas:

Publicado originalmente por Preacher:

lol what does that have to do with anything?

He wants to change a flag based on expansion. The Turks don't do that. It has everything to do with it. QED

ah sorry i didnt catch that part

[Kemalist(mdx³)]

Publicado originalmente por RCMidas:

Try as I might, I *can't* teach history to Turks. You finished kicking out all the competent people in 1923. The Greeks west, the Armenians east, and the Kurds south. The few of each group you left alive that is.

ahh yes, the competent people who all know established their utopias and arent poor and corrupt at all ;)
dont wory, the competent ones live in Anatolia, of every group that is.

[RCMidas]

The Anatolian Turks have been a free people for seven hundred years. They're doing worse than all the rest, with the exception of the Kurds, who are doing as badly as whichever group happens to rule them. I think the Iraqi Kurds have the best of it at the moment.

Honestly, that entire region of the planet should be embarrassed for and of itself.

[LES GOLD]

Publicado originalmente por Hugh de Salle:

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This information is also not correct. The star and crescent symbol on Byzantine coins was already used by the Sumerians, Sassanids, Sogdians and Buddhist Turks. The moon symbol alone was one of the symbols of Tengrism. There is no historical evidence that the Ottomans copied it from Byzantium. During the Ottoman conquests, the crescent and star were not a very common symbol among the Byzantines. Until the 19th century, the Ottomans used only crescents or three crescents. The Ottomans adopted the crimson moon-star flag as the official flag in the 19th century(Tanzimat era). Apparently they waited a long time to copy symbols from Byzantium lol

It was the symbol of the Greek god Artemis and used by the ancient kingdom of Pontus that pre-date all those nations mentioned in your post

The Romans were the first western nation to mass produce coins all goods in the middle east was paid for in Roman Gold and Silver.

Their are images online that show Roman coins dating from 200BC that show the Star & Crescent because the Romans themselves copied Greek coins as did the Persians when Cyrus the great conquered Western Anatolia.

Although i do agree the Moon and Stars even pre-dated the Greeks in Temples and such it was far easier to copy a coin because in many instances it was the first sight of such symbols you didn't have to be at the site to see it.

Their is no doubt both Islam and Turks copied the symbol from the Romans who in turn copied it from the Greeks.

No doubt? lol You defend your own reality as a historical fact. I say it again. The crescent and star symbol, exactly as the Greeks used it, also existed in Sumer. The Sumerians were a people who lived long before the ancient Greeks. Also, the ancient kingdom of Pontus is not Greek but Iranian. It was later Hellenized. Ancient Mesopotamian beliefs are much older than Greek Gods. The Greek pantheon was largely copied from ancient Mesopotamian beliefs. The moon symbol was used by peoples much older than the Greeks. In addition, the crescent and star symbols were used in ancient Asian beliefs, which had no organic connection with the Greeks.
The Turks used the crescent as a symbol of Tengrism long before they met the Romans and Greeks. You can even see traces of this on the flags of the Golden Horde and Mongolian empires of the same faith. The Ottoman flag with the moon and star dates back to the 19th century. Before that, there is no evidence in any historical source that the Ottomans used it. To say that the Turks adopted the symbol of the ancient Greek god Artemis as their official flag in the 19th century is something only a stupid Greek can claim. In addition, before the Turks became Muslims, no Muslim state used the crescent and star as symbols.

[bokatanminikkus]

Publicado originalmente por Hugh de Salle:

Publicado originalmente por bokatanminikkus:

The turks did that And yes the turks had the flag always in 1300 we already had the flag in the current time but the moon represent of qonquering Istanbul and that why we adopted the moon , after that every continent was a moon dont teach history to me I'm turkish..

That's not strictly true the crescent and star depictions comes from the coins of the Byzantine empire around the 4th Century AD the actual crescent was painted onto Christian Saints shields with stars around the Saint the Turks simply copied it.

Of course i don't expect you to believe me Turkey has its own History separate from the rest of the world.

bro i believe you yes the moon comes from the byzintine thats why the moons represent also for the continents we conquered