What are the best Ideas for vassal swarm oda/japan?

[kinupss2]

Unified japan as Oda in 1474 and planing on doing vassal swarm, what Ideas groups should I get?

[Triple G]

Diplo, admin and influence? While i don´t know how the Japanese vassal swarm works - if You can release vassals anywhere, You don´t need admin i guess.

I think such runs may also work without picking any ideas - simply because the vassal swarm does all the work.

[kinupss2]

Originally posted by Triple G:

Diplo, admin and influence? While i don´t know how the Japanese vassal swarm works - if You can release vassals anywhere, You don´t need admin i guess.

I think such runs may also work without picking any ideas - simply because the vassal swarm does all the work.

The daimyo system makes that every vassal that I make turns into a daimyo which dont take a diplo slot and others little things that yet I dont know

[Triple G]

I meant i don´t know if they´re restricted like the HRE swarm. You can only have them, if they have their capital in Europe (sort of).

Else You can´t really have a vassal swarm if they would take up diplo slots.

But if You can release them worldwide (maybe except for colonial regions, as these take up no diplo slot anyways, but are also useless outside of these regions) - You don´t need to core anything.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Diplo is still useful because it allows you to take more land in each war to then feed to your subjects, as well as letting you Improve Relations with them faster and making AE decay more quickly. Influence is still useful due to the reduced Liberty Desire and the increased Income and Force Limit contribution you get from your subjects. Even if you go for a "vassal swarm" type of strategy, you'll likely still want to be slowly integrating some of your subjects over time to ensure you stay strong enough to not get outscaled by any of them - in which case Admin will still be useful for the policy with Influence for the further reduced diplo annexation cost, as well as the extra Governing Capacity to manage those integrated lands.