Europa Universalis IV

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Zoro-austrians + holiest roman empire + neither holy nor german
As the title says, is it possible to have all these achievements in one run? Plus, having the austrian mission tree achievement?
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Yes. You just have to start as Austria and finish their mission tree before you form Persia. I might need to complete Holiest Roman Empire and neither holy nor german before flipping zoroastrian, but I'm not sure about that. It might be possible to first make catholic the official unchangable faith(either via the league war or the diet of capital city event) and then pass the HRE reform Erbkaisertum so that you can stay emperor after changing religions.
When i did the zoro-austrians i wouldn´t get the holiest roman empire thingy. Problem is that they would leave the HRE for some reason at some point (before i went Zoroastrian) - because i passed the reforms early so there would be religious peace, which is the reform which makes it so that You get always elected.

So the only way would be to delay the reforms, let the leagues spawn, win the war, and then pass the reforms that You always stay emperor. But i rather thought i do that one when i play the papal states another time.

The other one - i´m not sure, as i did it way back, so i don´t know what it was about. If it´s about the cities it´s rather easy to get - if it´s about the number of countries it´s also easy to get after You have the vassal swarm.
Last edited by Triple G; Apr 9 @ 6:40am
The Papal States gets a scripted event to leave the HRE if it ever reaches a state of "Religious Peace" or non-Catholic supremacy, whether through the League War or by the Emperor passing the reform to make Emperorship hereditary before an official faith is declared. However, this event can only fire once per campaign. So, the natural solution if the Pope leaves the HRE is to simply declare war on them using the "Expand Empire" CB and force them back in again. They don't get an option to leave a second time.
Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:
The Papal States gets a scripted event to leave the HRE if it ever reaches a state of "Religious Peace" or non-Catholic supremacy, whether through the League War or by the Emperor passing the reform to make Emperorship hereditary before an official faith is declared. However...
however... this automatically locks You out of the achievement, because You don´t have catholic as offical faith. ;o)
And what are the conditions for the league war to start? Do any of the members of the HRE need to be protestant/reformed? I ask this because I was going to try to convert every member and then wait for the leagues to happen, but I do not know if that avoids the league starting.
So again, what are the conditions for the catholic faith to be the official faith in the empire?
Marquoz Apr 9 @ 6:04pm 
Originally posted by Bunns Marley:
And what are the conditions for the league war to start? Do any of the members of the HRE need to be protestant/reformed? I ask this because I was going to try to convert every member and then wait for the leagues to happen, but I do not know if that avoids the league starting.
So again, what are the conditions for the catholic faith to be the official faith in the empire?

Religious leagues only form if there is at least one non-subject Protestant, Reformed, or Hussite elector in the Empire (Anglican counts too, but I've never seen it). A standard strategy for Empire players is to prevent this from ever happening so the Leagues don't appear.
Last edited by Marquoz; Apr 9 @ 6:06pm
For the Holiest Roman Empire part... You get a restoration of union on Bohemia, and normally it's advantageous to keep them around, but you could integrate them ASAP, which deletes their electorship (inheriting Bohemia randomly would grant you the electorship), and then grant it to the Pope before he leaves. If you want to delay for a little while, due to not having Bohemia integrated yet, you could pass the Landsknecht reform before declaring Erbkaisertum or Ewiger Landfriede, both of which would create religious peace and cause the Pope to leave.

Since you want to get neither holy nor roman, you will be burning some excess IA before revoking anyways, so you'll have more time than the typical fast revoke. The Landsknecht might not be useful, although I would recommend passing it anyways even after you revoke, since Landfriede gives tech cost.

PS: Get neither holy nor roman BEFORE revoking, since there are no free cities after the revoke. Electors stay but Free cities don't.
Triple G Apr 10 @ 2:21am 
Originally posted by Bunns Marley:
So again, what are the conditions for the catholic faith to be the official faith in the empire?
One can win the league war, or one can prevent the leagues from forming - which happens if only a handful of princes are converted. Then one would need to wait - and eventually catholic is called the official faith.

If You have no reformation centers, and keep it catholic, You basically have all the time in the world to switch free cities - or to revoke. If You´re already emperor, as Austria - there is basically only one case in which You wouldn´t stay emperor as player - if You have a female heir, don´t have the authority for the decision, and then Your ruler dies...

What i didn´t know is what Chatbot said - that You could have it catholic, but still switch to zoroastrian when You automatically inherit the throne. Which imho doesn´t make sense. Either there´s an official faith or not.

But anyway - You´d need to delay that, and then either have the leagues form, but they wouldn´t attack for like 30 years - or wait till 1625 or something if no league forms. I´m unsure if it´s worth it, since You can get other achievements on the way. Like tier 5 defender of the faith of some religion which isn´t catholic or sunni. And the zoroastrian achievements. And You still need to finish the Persian mission tree, and then You can get the other Persian achievement. The biggest problem for me was to get a Persian ruler, which took quite a while, as my Austrian ruler got to age 87 or something and i had to make sure that he dies without heir - which was quite prestige consuming, because the game gave me new heirs like there´s no tomorrow, even if he was infertile. And You need to convert every of Your provinces if i remember right. I mean it´s probably still all possible if You wait till 1625 to get the reforms done, but then You probably need to hurry a bit.

The Bohemia thing above doesn´t work, as the HRE has no official faith then. So You don´t need to inherit them ASAP for this. You can still gamble to inherit them for free, at least once - like You want to abdicate Your ruler always when it´s possible anyways, for the IA.
For Holiest Roman Empire, I'd suggest to either let a protestant elector be there so the league war happens (but you should severely weaken all your rivals before hand, so you're sure the war is winnable), or just revoke and wait for the event in 1625. While you wait, you can start working on the conquest of the entire Middle East that you need for the Persian missions.

Also on the Persian ruler: the mission actually requires a ruler and an heir of your current primary culture. So just switch back to Austrian culture once you've formed Persia.
Thank you all for your replies. You have given me some very useful insights on this matter, since I never went past the revoke the privilegia in any of my austrian playthroughs.

But I'm afraid I still didn't get exactly onr thing: the best method to ensure that catholic is the official faith. From what I could interpret, basically my best option is to wait until 1625/30 for the event of the league wars to fire, and since there is not a single non catholic member, or too few members with weak supporters, there won't be a war, and because of that the event fires normally like if I had won the league war, thus making catholic the official faith. Now, I know that I had to delay the reform Erbkaisertum, and therefore the revoke reform, because this automatically make sthe pope leave, because no true officail religion was declared/enforced.

Did I get thet right? Also, as you pointed out, that would give me time to finish other achievements, like 7 non germanic free cities, austrian mission tree, etc
Triple G Apr 10 @ 12:40pm 
Originally posted by aloup.saipuol:
For Holiest Roman Empire, I'd suggest to either let a protestant elector be there so the league war happens (but you should severely weaken all your rivals before hand, so you're sure the war is winnable), or just revoke and wait for the event in 1625.
As said three times: it doesn´t work this way, because if You revoke - You have no official faith.

The only way is to revoke after 1625 in that case. So the other way around.

Originally posted by Bunns Marley:
From what I could interpret, basically my best option is to wait until 1625/30 for the event of the league wars to fire, and since there is not a single non catholic member, or too few members with weak supporters, there won't be a war, and because of that the event fires normally like if I had won the league war, thus making catholic the official faith. Now, I know that I had to delay the reform Erbkaisertum, and therefore the revoke reform, because this automatically make sthe pope leave, because no true official religion was declared/enforced.

Did I get thet right?
Yes. More or less (The league wars would happen earlier, but catholic would be the official faith, because the protestant league failed to form to begin with) And even if You don´t stress it You could probably revoke in 1550 or earlier - so it means to wait like 100 years to do so, only to get one achievement, while You want to get a couple of others, for which You have 10 years less to achieve. Also it would mean that in these 100 years of waiting the HRE princes would fight each others all over again, and You would occasionally need to fight them, to split them up all over again. While You sit at 100 IA at all times, which also means You get 100 more reasons to get elected again - which makes the Erbkaisertum a bit obsolete. But it´s not exactly the QoL solution - even if it´s possible.

You could of course use the time and prepare everything, so You just have to click buttons, and convert everything after You revoked, as You don´t need to worry about overextension, when You don´t want to pass reforms anyways. And yes - i also finished the Austrian mission tree first before even thinking about something else - but the Austrian mission tree is rather easy if You have revoked.

I´m personally unsure if it isn´t easier to do the holiest achievement with the papal states, because all You need to do is to subjugate an elector - and then have catholic to be the official faith in the HRE, which probably means to win the league war, while the AI is warleader, which is the gamble part.
I think I'll wait, so much so because I need time to make persian the main culture anyway
Originally posted by Bunns Marley:
I think I'll wait, so much so because I need time to make persian the main culture anyway

Persian needs to be the dominant culture in your stated provinces only. You can just unstate non-Persian provinces until Persian is dominant, and then restate them afterwards.

Shouldn't hurt your income too much because by the time you conquer Persia as Austria, the main source of your income should be trade. And even more so if you revoked.
Triple G Apr 14 @ 2:38am 
Originally posted by Bunns Marley:
I think I'll wait, so much so because I need time to make persian the main culture anyway
This is the easy part - but Your ruler needs to have Persian culture for one of the missions.

Which might happen randomly, but usually all of them will have Austrian culture. So You probably need to wait till You ruler dies, but get rid of all the heirs You get, so he dies without one.
Originally posted by Triple G:
Originally posted by Bunns Marley:
I think I'll wait, so much so because I need time to make persian the main culture anyway
This is the easy part - but Your ruler needs to have Persian culture for one of the missions.

Which might happen randomly, but usually all of them will have Austrian culture. So You probably need to wait till You ruler dies, but get rid of all the heirs You get, so he dies without one.
So just tank my prestige and hope that a ruler of persian culture shows up?
By the way, I still did not revoke the privilegia by 1600, because I want the Holiest empire, and I am swimmung in Imperial Authority. Besides, I passed a reform accidentally where there can not be internal wars in the empire, so I can not convert heretic princes (not a problem since my IA gain is high anyway). I am only missing to complete the Austrian mission tree now, and to get the peace of westphalia, to focus on the persian stuff.
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