Quit being in denial about EU5 and Paradox in general

[SlySilentLynx]

Their DLC policy hasn’t changed in years and isn’t going to change for years if not ever.
If you’re still in denial that they’ll have a change of heart, you’re slipping. If you keep pre-ordering or buying day one without checking whether it’s bland enough out of the box to be primed for DLC (Imperator: Rome), then you’re slipping. If you still blindly accept this practice and think you’re being "smart" with your money by waiting for sales, then you’re slipping.

It's not a coincidence that sites and programs used to crack expanded content in games are almost entirely for just Paradox games. This is sadly the only realistic way to play not just this game, but any Paradox game anymore without spending hundreds of dollars for content that should have been base game, but sadly the average player is either a lemming or a content creator who doesn't have to think about money.

I'm not even mad at you all anymore for being lemmings and paypigs for this company, helping fester and normalizing this predatory business practice. I'm upset with you for not being honest even to yourself and admit you love being an enabler of bad practices companies do now. I know you won't be better so least do everyone the tiniest favor and at least be honest.

[KharnTheKhan]

Originally posted by SlySilentLynx:

Their DLC policy hasn’t changed in years and isn’t going to change for years if not ever.
If you’re still in denial that they’ll have a change of heart, you’re slipping. If you keep pre-ordering or buying day one without checking whether it’s bland enough out of the box to be primed for DLC (Imperator: Rome), then you’re slipping. If you still blindly accept this practice and think you’re being "smart" with your money by waiting for sales, then you’re slipping.

It's not a coincidence that sites and programs used to crack expanded content in games are almost entirely for just Paradox games. This is sadly the only realistic way to play not just this game, but any Paradox game anymore without spending hundreds of dollars for content that should have been base game, but sadly the average player is either a lemming or a content creator who doesn't have to think about money.

I'm not even mad at you all anymore for being lemmings and paypigs for this company, helping fester and normalizing this predatory business practice. I'm upset with you for not being honest even to yourself and admit you love being an enabler of bad practices companies do now. I know you won't be better so least do everyone the tiniest favor and at least be honest.

Thanks boss, Love you

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by SlySilentLynx:

I'm upset with you for not being honest even to yourself and admit you love being an enabler of bad practices companies do now. I know you won't be better so least do everyone the tiniest favor and at least be honest.

I'm totally honest. I honestly love their business practices. EU4 has gotten 11+ years of post release development because of the DLC model. This continually reinvigorated and deepened the title. But the Paradox Tinto studio doesn't work for free. Developing new content requires paying salaries and benefits, buying equipment and office space, and making a profit. No business that fails to do these things exists for long.

After 8000 hours of EU4 playtime, I can say without hesitation that on a dollars spent per hour played basis, it's been the cheapest game I've ever bought by an enormous margin. That's why I love their model. It provides colossal value.

[Narrowmind]

Who actually wants Paradox to change, really?

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by Narrowmind:

Who actually wants Paradox to change, really?

Brokies and people who think software piracy is a normal, acceptable, or even praiseworthy practice.

[Narrowmind]

Poor b-words. 😩

[Nordil(Hun)]

Dunno some parts of the game like reformation fervor being behind a paywall seems not really nice. You have as an european country most of the christian religions bonuses except for reformation.

I also keep reading about supremacy over the crown but i never saw it among the possible estate choices. (Only an audience is now available for 10 influence and 10 loyalty.)
I used to play ages ago and even then i dont seem to recall it since the diet is very good.
I recently restarted and i keep seeing it everywhere being mentioned and suggested, even on the wiki. I checked 4 different country starts in europe none of them had it as an option. (I played one till 1650 and it still never appeared)

So i have mixed feelings.
If we add to the mix the "launcher necessity" which is basicly a reverse improvement, i am more inclined to not engage with paradox anymore. And i wanted to buy stellaris for a while, but eventually i just said meh.
I really hate launchers.
Most of the time they add nothing to the game, just require you to make an account, or to market their other products. Which is not really needed, since Steam and other retailers already show/can show all the other products. So it is just something completely redundant and quite annoying.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):

I also keep reading about supremacy over the crown but i never saw it among the possible estate choices. (Only an audience is now available for 10 influence and 10 loyalty.)

You can see in the wiki which DLC you need and which other conditions you need to fulfill: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Nobility_estate#Supremacy_over_the_Crown

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

I'm totally honest. I honestly love their business practices. EU4 has gotten 11+ years of post release development because of the DLC model. This continually reinvigorated and deepened the title. But the Paradox Tinto studio doesn't work for free. Developing new content requires paying salaries and benefits, buying equipment and office space, and making a profit. No business that fails to do these things exists for long.

After 8000 hours of EU4 playtime, I can say without hesitation that on a dollars spent per hour played basis, it's been the cheapest game I've ever bought by an enormous margin. That's why I love their model. It provides colossal value.

I completely agree, except that I'm not sure if eu4 was the cheapest game per hour played in my case. I bought some very cheap collections of old games back in the CD/DVD era and I probably have hundreds of hours in civ3 which I bought with all DLC for about 5€.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):

I also keep reading about supremacy over the crown but i never saw it among the possible estate choices. (Only an audience is now available for 10 influence and 10 loyalty.)

You can see in the wiki which DLC you need and which other conditions you need to fulfill: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Nobility_estate#Supremacy_over_the_Crown

I know, i checked it. But did not see anything like for Reformation Fervor-> Wealthy nations mentioned.
But now watching it on my horizontal screen (and not the vertical) i see that there is a small symbol at the end of the line.
Guessing that means the emperor DLC is required.
(Not really user friendly arrangement though)

[Jaiyro]

Breaking news SlySilentLynx's commentary about the state of Paradox Interactive DLC creates seismic moves within the companies headquarters after paradox moderator faxed a copy of the thread to the CEO. In addition SlySilentLynx somehow managed to convince everyone to see the world from their perspective and world peace has finally been achieved.

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In other words, time to reset the counter, it has been 0 days since one of these has been posted.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Nordil(Hun):

Originally posted by grotaclas:

You can see in the wiki which DLC you need and which other conditions you need to fulfill: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Nobility_estate#Supremacy_over_the_Crown

I know, i checked it. But did not see anything like for Reformation Fervor-> Wealthy nations mentioned.
But now watching it on my horizontal screen (and not the vertical) i see that there is a small symbol at the end of the line.
Guessing that means the emperor DLC is required.
(Not really user friendly arrangement though)

If you have a suggestion how to make this clearer, please post an example on the discussion page of that wiki page

[grognardgary]

Why do people think they should get 4 or five hundred dollars worth of additional material Free?

[Medicles]

Lol, Bub doesnt even have the slightest clue about economics. The videogame industry is one of the weakest in the whole system when it comes to predatory business practices. If you are really against that and not just try walking around on a high horse, then i expect your current life to be completely autarkic, because even your local supermarket uses every way to get you to spend more and more money. Its called capitalism and you are part of it since you were born.

How much money you already spend in your life to make the 1% richer and the 99% poorer should make you go insane right now.

[Ashling]

They have changed pretty majorly. They still treat their games as a live service, yes, but they're no longer locking things like "having a proper peace negotiation" or "playing on this half of the map" behind DLC (like, seriously, it's so weird how you can just game over in CK2 via not having the correct DLC).

They've also simplified their DLCs so much, even in their older games like EU4. In Eu4 they've re-organized things so that you do not have to buy 100 different unit packs or the, like, 2 different monument packs, or the separate DLC just for Muslim advisors??? It's all one pack that's 33% the cost of the originals.

If you want them to stop being a live service, yeah, that's never going to happen. But I think it's undeniable: they have listened to the push back and have changed their way of doing things.

Originally posted by vintagevallaby:

My man is right go look st hoe much stellaris cost with all of its DLC and repeat that "you should be grateful for live service" again with a straight face

Stellaris is just a bad game that's poorly managed. Like the ship of Theseus but instead of building the same ship it's a worse and more convoluted one after each iteration.

It's also their only, developed (they've published others), 4x game and imo it shows.

[kickedmidget]

(The below is not mocking OP, I am simply giving my own take. You can decide from which side of the aisle I am coming from. I am actually being quite serious about that and I hope that you would find the irony in your subconscious assumption about which side I might be on.)

*Virtue signal virtue signal misunderstand life and existence and poorly communicate my thoughts. Me me me I'm right, there is no deeper discussion to be had here. I am the most right person in the Universe. Youuu are wrooong and that makes you a baaaad peerson. SMILERS*