Burgundy Inheritance bug or bad RNG

[bcmarine22]

I was playing Burgundy and had the Inheritance happen at around 1484 with the options of choosing Naples, France, Austria, or staying by myself. I decided to follow a slightly older guide I'd watched and decided to fall into a union under France again because I'd already beat the crap out of them and was planning to become independent.

Shortly after that event completed my game stopped and ended with the end of game screen. I had a pop-up for a pretender I was looking to wait out a little until my army could be assembled, but I don't think that should have influenced the game just ending. I can't reload it because I forgot to alt-F4 in my Ironman game and I don't have a random back-up save from before it happened.

Anyone else have this issue. I'm going to try it again and see if the same thing happens on another playthrough.

[grotaclas]

This sounds like France completed their mission Burgundian Succession[eu4.paradoxwikis.com], which makes them inherit Burgundy if Burgundy is their subject. I don't know if it is intended or an oversight that this can happen to the player as well. But becoming a subject is dangerous anyway, because your overlord an give away your provinces in the lowlands and AFAIK you can't prevent it unless you use exploits.

[bcmarine22]

Hmm great this must have happened because of the new mission tree France got in Domination. Although I'm pretty sure the subject stipulations wouldn't have been true since I would have needed to have +125 opinion or less that 10% Liberty desire. On top of having at least 75 trust.

Although in the end I might just try running for the Lotharingian achievement without falling into a Personal union.

[RCMidas]

Hell, I suppose it's just as possible that they got a random instant-inheritance on you instead.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Hell, I suppose it's just as possible that they got a random instant-inheritance on you instead.

This can only happen if the personal union has existed for 50 years. And AFAIK it can't happen if the junior partner is a player.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by bcmarine22:

Hmm great this must have happened because of the new mission tree France got in Domination. Although I'm pretty sure the subject stipulations wouldn't have been true since I would have needed to have +125 opinion or less that 10% Liberty desire. On top of having at least 75 trust.

How soon after the burgundian inheritance did your game end? Favors build up pretty quickly in subjects and they could have exchanged them for trust to fulfill the trust requirement which also lowers the liberty desire. And 125 opinion is not too difficult either and it also lowers the liberty desire. And France could have used the support loyalists interaction and possibly events to lower your liberty desire.
If you have the save with the endgame screen, I can check if and when France completed the mission

[SeraphLance]

This happened to my friend in a multiplayer game as well. I believe we looked into it and you pretty much need to make sure that france or its subjects (which includes you here) don't manage to get normandy before the Burgundian Inheritance. I think it's a design oversight and the devs just didn't think of player Burgundy when they made this mission tree, since this sort of thing is practically always coded to be AI-only everywhere else.

The way the BI *normally* works, is that burgundy gets the duchess died event and gets to choose whether they are inherited (the AI always does). If burgundy rejects the inheritance then the overlord gets to choose between letting them go or getting a defensive war against burgundy. If burgundy accepts the inheritance then the overlord auto-inherits them. France's mission skips that whole interaction and jumps straight to the auto-inheritance event (all of them are called "The Duchess of Burgundy Dies" because reasons) which takes the choice from the player. This could be easily solved by just triggering the *first* duchess mission instead of the last one, but much of Burgundy's tree will still be pretty much broken regardless. The french mission really just needs a whole different reward if burgundy is a player.

[bcmarine22]

The ending happened in probably in a month or less on top of that I had a war with France that I took Paris and some other provinces in order to complete the mission for taking their vassals it was roughly 12 years, but I still had a truce with them by the time the game ended so I know they probably didn't have a high opinion of me. I was at speed 5 for a moment and didn't pay attention to start and stop, but it wasn't that long because I had a ticking event for a pretender that I was holding onto wait at least a month before firing it. I'm not sure how to send the save game file over.

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by bcmarine22:

Hmm great this must have happened because of the new mission tree France got in Domination. Although I'm pretty sure the subject stipulations wouldn't have been true since I would have needed to have +125 opinion or less that 10% Liberty desire. On top of having at least 75 trust.

How soon after the burgundian inheritance did your game end? Favors build up pretty quickly in subjects and they could have exchanged them for trust to fulfill the trust requirement which also lowers the liberty desire. And 125 opinion is not too difficult either and it also lowers the liberty desire. And France could have used the support loyalists interaction and possibly events to lower your liberty desire.
If you have the save with the endgame screen, I can check if and when France completed the mission

[grotaclas]

Their opinion of you doesn't matter. Your opinion of them must be high enough. Do you play without the Leviathan DLC? Then they need to gain 8 dip per months instead of 75 trust

You can upload the save on a file hosting site like google drive and then post the link here

[bcmarine22]

I have the Leviathan DLC active. I also should have said I don't know where to find my local saves for the game. I've already looked through the Eu4 file on my computer and can't find the folder for it unless it's stored somewhere else in the Steam file.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by bcmarine22:

I also should have said I don't know where to find my local saves for the game. I've already looked through the Eu4 file on my computer and can't find the folder for it unless it's stored somewhere else in the Steam file.

The location depends on wether you are using cloud saves or not. You can find the default locations for both cases in the wiki at https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Ironman#Save_file_location

[bcmarine22]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-JuSXil5sAxPeGyoh5bFFHdDKmYouEK/view?usp=sharing

Here it is. Hopefully you can find something. Thank you for looking into it.

[grotaclas]

I had a look at your save. France completed their mission. I can't see when it happened, but it was almost certainly the reason why your game ended. And they fulfilled the mission requirements, because I didn't notice before that the trust and opinion is not necessary as long as the areas Picardy (except province Calais (87)) and Western Burgundy are owned by France or their non-tributary subjects. And if you are their subject, your provinces count as well. I guess that this is another bug/oversight.

[bcmarine22]

Gotcha. Thanks for checking that. I'll do another run and choose either to potentially fight Austria or a minor person to fall under a personal union that I can get independence from again.

[RCMidas]

Eh, I'm struggling to justify that as "oversight", let alone a bug. A Burgundy that loses some of its territory and falls under the French crown would only be able to maintain its nominal national separation under the constant watch of powerful political figures - such as the erstwhile 'Duchess of Burgundy' whose death causes the inheritance - exactly the same as a full-sized Burgundy that was allowed to expand by its magnanimous overlord.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Interesting way to nerf the common strategy of "destroy France, steal all their vassals through a mission, then let yourself become a Junior Partner to inherit them all for free and immediately declare an independence war" that has dominated Burgundy play since 1.30 came out, I'll give them that.