Why not allow achievements on normal mode?

[Perryor]

The title is self-explainatory, also i'm aware that can be a controversial question. Anyway will share my thoughts on this. The game is enough difficult in it's easier mode. Not anyone cares about achievements, I can include myself midway in that, not an achievement freak but they make my game experience better. So, I'll wellcome all input on that question so we can learn how the eu4 players feel about that.

[Basso]

Because you can use console commands and reload saves in normal mode. Quite self-explanatory.

[Perryor]

Originally posted by Basso:

Because you can use console commands and reload saves in normal mode. Quite self-explanatory.

most games are the same and yet achievements are allowed there.

[Anva]

EU IV is not like most games ;)

[Xandurz]

Originally posted by Perryor:

Originally posted by Basso:

Because you can use console commands and reload saves in normal mode. Quite self-explanatory.

most games are the same and yet achievements are allowed there.

Well, thank God this game asks you to ACHIEVE something before it rewards you with a badge. Which is better than the "Yay you click da strt buttn, you so smrt" achieves of MOST games... >_>

[Basso]

Originally posted by Perryor:

Originally posted by Basso:

Because you can use console commands and reload saves in normal mode. Quite self-explanatory.

most games are the same and yet achievements are allowed there.

And what are "most games"? Most games I know disable achievements if you use console commands.

[TentacleMayor]

Can you earn achievements in Ironman while Steam is offline? I think in Crusader Kings 2 you need a constant internet connection, which really sucks. I've heard of all kinds of instability and achievements not working anymore midgame.

[Xandurz]

Originally posted by TentacleMayor:

Can you earn achievements in Ironman while Steam is offline? I think in Crusader Kings 2 you need a constant internet connection, which really sucks. I've heard of all kinds of instability and achievements not working anymore midgame.

Same with EU4 which is kind of a bummer.

[Perryor]

Originally posted by Basso:

And what are "most games"? Most games I know disable achievements if you use console commands.

ok, not console comands (no problem for me I don't use it) but most games allow achievements if you can save and reload.

Originally posted by Xandurz:

Originally posted by Perryor:

most games are the same and yet achievements are allowed there.

Well, thank God this game asks you to ACHIEVE something before it rewards you with a badge. Which is better than the "Yay you click da strt buttn, you so smrt" achieves of MOST games... >_>

Really not this difficult to get achievements on EU4 ironman, you just need to start the game and with an hour or two you'll have a few of them. To keep playing the game after that is what I'm talking about without saves, all sets favouring the AI, etc. And why the rage against people that prefer easier games, if they are not spoilling your fun? They just want to have theirs and for them fun is not coupled with frustration. Ok, we have Ironman so why not a set of ironman achievements and let people that are playing it on normal mode without mods get theirs. I agree that console and some mods can turn the most difficult feats in a game just a joke, but as I said, the game is enough difficult in its easier mode.

[JimClarke]

Im so glad that Paradox makes you play the game as it was meant to be played, in order to win the goodies.

Same in CK2...God bless em.

[alexraoul]

I wish paradox would just give us the achievements as soon as we start the game.

[Bandit17]

Do you like it when everyone that shows up to a sporting event gets a medal/ribbon? I don't. Those that excel should be rewarded and recognized. Make the players work and earn their achievements.

Don't water down the achievements please. This is the first game I feel like actually going after achievements. If you make it so any 2 year old can do the same than what's the point?

Originally posted by alexraoul:

I wish paradox would just give us the achievements as soon as we start the game.

Good point! ;-)

[robert.steven.marshall]

I think there are "easy"achievements to achieve on ironman and "medium", "hard" and "nigh on impossible achievements". Essentially if you achieve them you deserve the achievement and no one can take it away from you. You've said it's not difficult to achieve some achievements so why make it easier? Don't understand the reasoning (not being critical just some further explanation of your logic would be helpful as it might be me). I find Ironman so much more rewarding because decisions have consequences that can last centuries, also achievements in this game allow for replayability without the temptation to cheat which normal play would grant.

[Perryor]

Originally posted by robert.steven.marshall:

I think there are "easy"achievements to achieve on ironman and "medium", "hard" and "nigh on impossible achievements". Essentially if you achieve them you deserve the achievement and no one can take it away from you. You've said it's not difficult to achieve some achievements so why make it easier? Don't understand the reasoning (not being critical just some further explanation of your logic would be helpful as it might be me). I find Ironman so much more rewarding because decisions have consequences that can last centuries, also achievements in this game allow for replayability without the temptation to cheat which normal play would grant.

We just have different feelings about difficulty and rewarding, tried the game in Ironman and just didn't find it rewarding nor fun, it was the opposite found it punishing and boring. Not all people are the same and I respect your point of view, I just want that this game could bend a little so it would more rewarding an fun for me, and that's why I came with the idea of normal mode achievements.

[Bandit17]

Originally posted by Perryor:

We just have different feelings about difficulty and rewarding, tried the game in Ironman and just didn't find it rewarding nor fun, it was the opposite found it punishing and boring.

"Rewarding" is amplified by difficulty. The harder one has to work to achieve a goal the more rewarding it is. In life you can't always take the easy way out. Keep at it and you'll improve.

Start with easy countries and achievements first and than follow a progression that creates a positive learning experience through success. If you keep failing it means you're doing something wrong and maybe playing the wrong countries.

[robert.steven.marshall]

Sorry still don't understand how Ironman is boring? In normal mode were you reloading when you went wrong? What is different about your experience of normal mode and ironman? Personally I initially played on non-ironman and then when I learnt the game a bit more I progressed to Ironman and found the achievements something to aim for. To re-iterate I'm not being critical (there are a lot of trolls out there and new ideas are what keeps this sort of game fresh) what sorts of achievements would you set as non-ironman out of interest?