Burgungy Inheritance Cut off Date?

[Dray Prescot]

Is there a cut off date after which the death of the Burgundy King in battle no longer triggers Burgundy being split up? Also if Burgundy is a player country will that event trigger?
I am trying to play Castile differently and Royal Marriaged and Allied Burgundy. If I can get Castile to inherit part of Burgundy it would interesting but unlikely. I am wondering about trying to keep them alive to weaken and counter balance France, and at the same weaken Austria substantially if I keep the Burgundian Succession event from happening ( or by getting the territory myself). I find myself wondering if by some chance Castile did get a lot of territory from Burgundy, could Castile/Spain play around with the HRE and maybe become HRE Emperor and then become a HRE member ( I don't think becoming a member first is feasible because of the difficulty in getting the Emperor's approval) ? I doubt it is easy or likely.
So far Burgundy has won and survived its first war with Provence. Meanwhile Portugal got itself occupied by HUNGARY which was allied to France and Austria versus England and Portugal. That should make it easy to vassalize Portugal but it will probably take two wars to get enough warscore to do it. Meanwhile I am leaving Aragon alone and hoping for the Iberian Wedding with Naples still in the PU. I know it all can't work out but it will be interesting to see what happens. I did manage to vassalize Navarra.

[general fufu]

The cut off date is when the burgundian king dies. It can happen early and late.

To become emperor you don't need good relations with the emperor.
Good relations with electors will get you the emperor title though. Good relations, strenght and few princes.
Last time i got emperor title as castille i did it without vassalizing anyone. France was dead though and i had most of netherland.

Portugal MUST be vassalized early so they colonize for you and not for themselves.

Good choice to let Aragon alone and wait for the wedding.

I don't think the event can trigger if a player is playing burgundy.

[Tayip]

the cut off date is 1500.
the burgundian king doesn't actually have to die in battle. if the event happens, he just dies.
in real life, he did die in battle which caused the inheritance which is why the event says that.

[general fufu]

I stand corrected.
Sorry for the faulty information.

[Moo Cow]

Inheritance never fires if Burgundy is played by a player.

[Dray Prescot]

But it can only happen if Burgundy is at war, right? In my game, he does have a minor female heir. In my previous game I integrated Portugal just before I formed Spain diplomatically in the late 1510s when I got Admin TL 10, but without Naples. The HRE Wiki says that Emperor has to approve of new countries joining the HRE. Basicly you needed very high approval from him, the bigger you are the more approval, and culture mattered also. Basicly, a non german large state like Castile would be almost to totally impossible to get Austria (for instance) to admit you to the HRE. Or is the Wiki out of date?
Did you get the netherland territories from Burgundy? I have not tried this approach before in EU4. Normally, except for Spain, I have left Europe alone for a long time until late in the game. I had one EU3 game where Castile/Spain eventually broke France by releasing her nations and then conquered what was left, and then grabbed the entire coast of Europe by the late 1600s with a land bridge in eastern Europe, no Ottoman territory. The problem with the Emperor idea is that you need totally different Ideas from overseas exploration and expansion, and your units and monarch points are used up in the HRE. But Portugal as a vassal just might work as Emperor, but their army just got destroyed by HUNGARY which makes it easier for me but will slow them down in getting started in colonization. I could try to dismantle the HRE. Of course, if Burgundy stays alive they could take the place of France as a threat and or friend to Spain. They might even end up Emperor.

[Dray Prescot]

In the game I am playing, before I restarted it, Burgundy was at war with Provence, Lorraine and Austria with Castile helping him. He was winning the war with a postitive warscore of about 60, and then he died with France and Austria getting all of Burgundy's possensions. All Castile could get was a province in Provence in a peace treaty. This was about 1451. Meanwhile, France, Austria, and Hungary had a seperate war with England and Portugal. Obviously, Granada had been left alone by Castile, along with Aragon. With the the restart from a saved game, he picked up all but Metz from Lorraine. I would rather he stayed alive than be divided by France and Austria. I think my only hope for Castile to inherit would be to force Austria to release Styria and make them too small as Emperor to inherit from Burgundy. And that will be very difficult to accomplish, but not impossible with enough time. But it would a race against Burgundy dying in his many wars. If I can keep Austria from getting the Burgundian territory, it will make them much weaker in the HRE, they might not even be able to stay Emperor. A Burgundian ally as HRE Emperor would be Really different to see, but it is not very likely. I suppose I could try taking over as Burgundy from a saved game.

[Dray Prescot]

I just looked at Burgaundy Wiki again: the Burgundian Inheritance is only supposed to happen if they are losing a war, but they had a positive 60 warscore when they died, and had a minor female heir, so they would have a regency with a heir. Castile had a Royal Marriage and an alliance with Burgundy. The only other RM was with a vassal: Nevers. Is the Wiki out of date? I am playing with Extended Vanilla Experience under 1.12, could that be the difference?

[Tayip]

i'm pretty sure it can happen if they're winning a war or not even in a war. it's most likely to happen when they're losing a war though

[Exarch_Alpha]

The event is happening in a rather rare way, I prefer Burgundy´s setup in previous version. At least it was historical like, 20% time, now it´s not even 1% and it´s annoying to see the freed dutch minors accomplishing nothing because they are all equally powerful.

[Dray Prescot]

I wonder if I could wait for Castile to vassalise Portugal and get the Iberian wedding. If Burgundy is still around, then I could take over from a saved game until after 1500. Then either keep playing Burgaundy or go back to Castile/Spain. I have never tried playing Burgundy.
But I would like to see the Big Yellow Amoeba (I named I coined, after the Big Blue Blob) (Castile+ Portugal vassal+ Aragon + Naples + inheriting from Burgundy) surrounding and swallowing the Big Blue Blob- France. It would be an interesting screenshot to post (which I have never done before, either). Burgundy could be a pretty powerful postion to play with a strong Spanish ally, but the Spanish would probably be the senior partner in the alliance with Burgundy, but maybe not after France is gone or if Burgundy forms France and goes after being HRE Emperor. It would be totally different from how I normally play EU4. From what I read in the Wiki, Burgundy could even form Netherlands without losing some territory to France if France is dead. That way you could get the Dutch Ideas and become an overseas power house to rival a strong Spain (or be its ally). Meanwhile, England is very close by for a nice snack to totally dominate the trade node. It is just speculations, but it is interesting to think about and would take a long game time to accomplish any of them. Would it be better to go for French Ideas or Dutch Ideas by forming either?