Did the post-1.32 beta and now current patch remove the duchess of burgundy event?

[Aelfric]

It's 1617 and despite me getting the burgundy inheritance as portugal, the waiting game for duchess of burgundy dies (due to a horse) event has gotten nowhere. Ideally it occurs before 1500s, and usually late is considered 1530s. I'm now up to 1617 and now age of absolutism. It's meant to be 100% guaranteed that if you pu burgundy via the inheritance (i was the strongest royal marriage) that eventually you inherit cores on all of burgundy.

Either the force update patches removed the event from the save or did paradox disable the free integration of burgundy to nerf the human into diplo integrating it instead? (my ironman achievements are still possible in the save)

[grotaclas]

Nothing about the event The Duchess of Burgundy Dies[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] changed in 1.32. It was never guaranteed to happen, because it can only happen if the modifier mary_is_on_the_throne is active and that modifier only lasts for 40 years. The event has an MTTH of 180 months so there is always the chance that it does not happen within 40 years. Since 1.31 the event can only happen if Burgundy is not at war, so being at war a lot makes it less likely to happen than before

[Aelfric]

I think the error was this "Burgundy's overlord gets the event "The Duchess of Burgundy Dies" in 10 days." Maybe i turned off the game for the day when it was fixed to fire in under 10 days, I'll have to marathon the next time i burgundy pu.... Interesting you say 3 years to happen

[Kapika96]

It was never guaranteed. It was likely to happen, but it had a time limit after which it's no longer possible.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by id:

Interesting you say 3 years to happen

I think you misread my comment. I said that the MTTH is 180 months which is 15 years. So it has a 50% chance to happen if you are at peace for a total of 15 years in the 40 years in which it can fire and something like 75% chance to happen if you have a total of 30 years of peace. Even if you are at peace the whole time, there is only around 85% chance for the event to happen.

[Aelfric]

"modifier only lasts for 40 years" this is the worst thing about eu4 i have ever heard but makes sense why 1530 is usually the latest i ever saw a success inherit (since 1490s is almost the latest burgundian succession happens)

[Aelfric]

is there a source on the modifier only lasting for 40 years? It's sad because i'm in my second campaign in a row she didn't fall off the horse

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by id:

"modifier only lasts for 40 years" this is the worst thing about eu4 i have ever heard but makes sense why 1530 is usually the latest i ever saw a success inherit (since 1490s is almost the latest burgundian succession happens)

To me it sounds reasonable that Marie does not live forever and that Burgundy stays a junior partner afterwards if she manages to keep some separation between Burgundy and its senior partner. You can still inherit Burgundy by the normal PU mechanics later if you have enough dip rep.

But in general I think that the whole burgundian inheritance is too random for how powerful it is. Because it gives you so much power, many players would like to have it. But because of its randomness it creates a lot of frustration for the players. It probably does not help matters that there is a lot of misinformation out there which makes it seem more certain than it actually is.

Originally posted by id:

is there a source on the modifier only lasting for 40 years?

Yes. You could look at the event The Burgundian Succession in the wiki[eu4.paradoxwikis.com]. Or if you don't consider me linking the wiki a reliable source(quite reasonable, because I might have written an article which I link), you could look up the even in the game files.

[Aelfric]

Ruler of Burgundy Dies
country_event = {
id = incidents_bur_inheritance.1
title = "incidents_bur_inheritance.1.t"
desc = "incidents_bur_inheritance.1.desc"
picture = DEATH_OF_HEIR_eventPicture

major = yes

is_triggered_only = yes
fire_only_once = yes

immediate = {
hidden_effect = {
set_country_flag = burgundian_succession_start
add_country_modifier = {
name = mary_is_on_the_throne
duration = 14600
hidden = yes
}
random_country = { #largest Nation with a marriage with Burgundy
limit = {
is_emperor = no
marriage_with = ROOT
government = monarchy
is_free_or_tributary_trigger = yes
NOT = {
any_country = {
is_emperor = no
marriage_with = ROOT
is_free_or_tributary_trigger = yes
num_of_cities = prev
NOT = { prev = { num_of_cities = prev } }
}
}
}
save_event_target_as = bur_strongest_ally
}


This seems to suggest the modifier is added but 14600/30/12= 40 years

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by id:

ive played at least 60 or more campaigns where i got burgundian inheritance, and never until this africa patch did the horse event not show. 2 games out of 2 games in a row this week with this new issue :/ if its not guaranteed, something subtle has been nudged somehow, but i can say its not guaranteed the horse event now in this patch. the only rng bit before was the sucession bit, horse event just wait and latest was always 1530 :/ but maybe horse event was deleted by accident cos it's not meant to be

As I said, nothing has changed in 1.32. If you got the Duchess of Burgundy dies event in 60 campaigns in a row, you got very very lucky, because at most you have an 85% chance to get the event because of it's MTTH. If you are ever at war, the chance is lower, because it can't happen then(in 1.30 it could happen while you were at war).

Originally posted by id:

i agree burgundian inheritance was one of worst parts of eu4. it's a campaign ruiner so many times, especially as england. as england you have to pu france and hope burgundy picks france so you get the inherit.

The inheritance doesn't have to ruin any campaign. Whatever you want to do, you can do it in other ways without getting the burgundian inheritance. And an PUed France can't get the inheritance anymore(this was also changed in 1.31).