end excommunication?

[Dray Prescot]

How does a player end excommunication of himself and/or his country (in EU4) ? The main possibilities I can see are a change of ruler and a change of pope (this is apparently how it works in CK2), possibly wait for 20 to 30 years, and possibly a change of the Papal State's and/or the Pope's opinion of the target and/or the country that requested/ordered the excommunication. The EU4 Wiki does not indicate if any of these possibilties or others will actually work. Can an ally help end excommunication, since excommunication normally gives the target very bad relations with other Catholic countries ?

[zacharyb]

I'm assuming it would end with the rulers death, but Idk as ive never been or seen the pope excommunicate someone.

[Dray Prescot]

Also does excommunication have any effect on client states such as (their own) Colonial Counties, Trade Companies, Vassals, and Personal Unions? Could it change (increase) the client state's freedom desire?
I suppose the excommunicated country could always change religion to a Protestant religion.
Another interesting question: what happens in a client state when its home country/overlord changes religion during the Reformation / Counter Reformation ?

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

Also does excommunication have any effect on client states such as (their own) Colonial Counties, Trade Companies, Vassals, and Personal Unions? Could it change (increase) the client state's freedom desire?
I suppose the excommunicated country could always change religion to a Protestant religion.
Another interesting question: what happens in a client state when its home country/overlord changes religion during the Reformation / Counter Reformation ?

Yes it could change their freedom desire, since being excommunicated gives you a -50 hit diplomatic value with other catholic countries. Though since you can improve relations with vassals and colonial countries by 200 it shouldn't really make much difference.

If you change your religion your client state, vassals, colonial nationcs, etc will keep whichever relgion they had before. They would only switch religions for their own reasons such as rebel spawns, which you could technically sit their and colonize land in their colonial zone, and if you were to get enough finished colonies, you could probably bring down your colonies religious unity. Though I don't see any real reason to do this other than to paint those colonial areas a certain religion.

[Dray Prescot]

I would like to be able to send my missionaries to my Colonial Nations to help convert the natives (in new conquests) since with colonial nations I don't have as much use for missionaries once the colonial nations are formed. Also I find myself wondering about culture in the Colonial Nations: should I try to change the culture in the planned future Colonial Nation before I core 5 of them to establish the new Colonial Nation? Otherwise they will probably end up with native cultures if they outnumber my colonists in a new city, or if they are conquered territory such as the Aztecs. I already usually try to convert them to my religion before I core conquered natives ,e.g. Aztecs, and establish the new Colonial Nation. Of course, being to send or not send missionaries to Colonial Nations will be significant once the Reformation / Counter Reformation start.

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

I would like to be able to send my missionaries to my Colonial Nations to help convert the natives (in new conquests) since with colonial nations I don't have as much use for missionaries once the colonial nations are formed. Also I find myself wondering about culture in the Colonial Nations: should I try to change the culture in the planned future Colonial Nation before I core 5 of them to establish the new Colonial Nation? Otherwise they will probably end up with native cultures if they outnumber my colonists in a new city, or if they are conquered territory such as the Aztecs. I already usually try to convert them to my religion before I core conquered natives ,e.g. Aztecs, and establish the new Colonial Nation. Of course, being to send or not send missionaries to Colonial Nations will be significant once the Reformation / Counter Reformation start.

I don't generally play colonizing games, but the way I look at colonial nations is that once they form, it's all up to them. You also don't have to worry about changing the religion or culture of a province that you are colonizing, because they start with your religion and culture.

If you were taking over other countries land then you could convert their religion and culture, but you would have to wait a number of years, because first you need to convert their religion, and second when you first take over a province the province will have nationalism, patch 1.12 it's now seperatism, so you have to wait until that is over to be able to convert cultures.

[mss73055]

Also if you convert and seize Rome as well you get a fancy reward.

[Rabob]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

How does a player end excommunication of himself and/or his country (in EU4) ? The main possibilities I can see are a change of ruler and a change of pope (this is apparently how it works in CK2), possibly wait for 20 to 30 years, and possibly a change of the Papal State's and/or the Pope's opinion of the target and/or the country that requested/ordered the excommunication. The EU4 Wiki does not indicate if any of these possibilties or others will actually work. Can an ally help end excommunication, since excommunication normally gives the target very bad relations with other Catholic countries ?

I once excommunicated France when I was papal controller. I lost my pope afterwards, but they were still excommunicated. When the King/Queen of France died they were not excommunicated anymore (I don't know what relation they had with the new Pope or Papal States). Anyway the new Pope also excommunicated France.

So the only thing I can tell is that the excommunication can stop when your ruler dies and the current pope decides not to excommunicate you again. So having good relations with (potential) popes is a good idea in that case.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by zacharyb:

I'm assuming it would end with the rulers death, but Idk as ive never been or seen the pope excommunicate someone.

Yes it´s amazingly rare, I wonder even if the AI is programmed to do it.

Everyone else is always friendly with the Pope, and having 3 diplomats so early only made things worse.

[mss73055]

I've never seen the AI excommunicate or declare a crusade. And despite the game starting in 1444 it starts **without** crusade against the Ottomans.

[Dray Prescot]

I actually have not been excommunicated (yet). I am just trying understand another aspect of how the new version of EU4 works. I have been playing EU off and on since EU 1.
In my current game as Spain (all of Castile, Aragon and Portugal), its about 1551 and I have 6 Colonial Nations in the New World, plus a Trading Company controlling most of the Ivory Coast Trade Node. Unfortunately, because of all the Colonial Nations, the French Army is still as large as mine and it is a lot more concentrated. Plus my English ally wants to declare war on Scotland and drag me into a war with France as Scotland's ally. I may be able to get some use out of the Colonial Nations' military, mostly against 4 French colonies/cities in South America, but I think it will be hard to get them into position in time to able to help Spain in a direct land war against France itself. I also have Austria allied with Spain with substantial holdings (ex Burgundy) near France, but Austria tries to drag me into wars against Switzerland, Italian countries, etc. Naples is not under my control, but I do have Sardinia and Sicily from Aragon. Englland only has 3 colonies in the Carribean. France has a couple more colonies in Africa in the Ivory Coast Trade Node.
The Colonial Nations are great for solving overextension problems and the shortage of Monarch Points, but they cost in terms of income and land unit force limits. Plus I have to worry about them trying to achieve Independence someday. I do get about 400 Gold about every 20 months from the New World.

[greg]

I have the issue that I am Papal Controller but still exocommunicated. I can't figure out how to remove it from myself. Im assuming I can't due to being unable to make actions against myself.

[ඞ]

Once i was playing as Tunis, and around the 1 year mark I got a Crusade called against me by the pope. I hope its worth mentioning i didnt even declare war on any countries yet, so i have no idea why that crusty old fart did it...

[Rabob]

Originally posted by WorldChampBleachChugger1985:

Once i was playing as Tunis, and around the 1 year mark I got a Crusade called against me by the pope. I hope its worth mentioning i didnt even declare war on any countries yet, so i have no idea why that crusty old fart did it...

I have seen it happen on the incas :| Like wth would the pope care about that xD

[Mowraq]

To all those that have this problem (like i have currently) and landed here: Since I think emperor there is a relatively easy way out of excommunication. Just buy indulgence from the curia. Don't waste away for 20 years like me before I noticed.