Common Sense was apparently a disaster? Has anything improved since?

[Singular They]

I see that the opinion of Common Sense has been pretty universally negative. What is more worrying to me, is that apparently even if you don't get Common Sense, a game-breaking patch is installed for all users of EUIV that gives the AI all the stuff in Common Sense but not the player.

Is all of this still the case? Was anything done subsequently to improve the situation? Was thinking about getting back into EUIV but this makes me hesitate. I know there are ways to revert to prior patches but there will be more patches... eventually it will seem kind of ridiculous to be four or five patch levels behind...

[Narrowmind]

Your understanding is inaccurate. The AI will not play with the features if you're not using it yourself.

[Xero]

You can choose what version of the game to play. Where you would normal choose to opt into the beta or not for games, you're able to choose older versions. So you should be able to play a version that was before common sense.

[Dakarans]

There's no "gamebreaking patch" there were just a lot of people complaining about the fact that they didn't like the way the game was developing. And for some reason they refused to revert to the old patch that they liked soooo much...

The game is great.

[antrahk36]

Paradox released the DLC and changed everyone's game so in order for people to keep playing on the lastest version you had to buy Common Sense, otherwise your game broke, and that was dumb. Any normal game developer would release a DLC and if you bought it, your game installs the new features accordingly and if you don't buy it, then nothing happens. But no, everything was updated anyway and now I play on version 1.11 before all this Common Sense stuff was released. Can't say much about the DLC itself, I personally don't like it, but I shouldn't have to sacrifice playing with mods and such just because I chose not to buy a DLC.

[joefitts63]

Originally posted by antrahk36:

Paradox released the DLC and changed everyone's game so in order for people to keep playing on the lastest version you had to buy Common Sense, otherwise your game broke, and that was dumb. Any normal game developer would release a DLC and if you bought it, your game installs the new features accordingly and if you don't buy it, then nothing happens. But no, everything was updated anyway and now I play on version 1.11 before all this Common Sense stuff was released. Can't say much about the DLC itself, I personally don't like it, but I shouldn't have to sacrifice playing with mods and such just because I chose not to buy a DLC.

This is simply not true. The game is not broken without Common Sense. I played it a good bit without the DLC before I found it on a sale I liked.

The reason so many people don't like the Common Sense changes is that CS makes it much harder to blob. Two things primarily cause this: coring costs are greatly increased, so it is harder to afford to blob and forts now have a zone of control, which means you cannot carpet siege an opponent and chase down their armies.

Personally, I like the changes in Common Sense. They are logical, IMO.

[TheSaboteur]

Main reason: People don't like having to spend 400 ADMN points to core a province.

[antrahk36]

I went through weeks of having my game not launching correctly and bizzare map abnormalities. I noticed issues with launching the game with a lot of other players who didn't buy the DLC. The other reason I didn't buy CS was because the game got yet another overhaul when I'd only just started getting comfortable with the changes made in other add-ons like Art of War and El Dorado

[Legionary Guard]

W/O Common Sense - game normal

W/ Common Sense - Start up as Georgia, Qara Qoyonlu's magical 30-stack consisting entirely of wizards armed with AK47s teleports to Kartli and makes my 10-stack dissapear without even fighting a battle, and won't even accept a peace treaty that results in the entirety of Georgia becoming QQ. And I offered to give them all my money. 'Common Sense' my ass.

[Laladen]

Game is fine.

If you dont like Common Sense the game works fine without it or you can roll back to patch 1.11.

[Maxwell]

Also new expansion coming by the end of the year, "The Cossacks", they are going to change things again and add more mechanics, so maybe OP would like to wait until then.

I can't say anything bad about Common Sense since I've had no problems, but I did not play a lot without the DLC installed so I can't speak for those who just got the patch without buying the DLC.

If anyone is interested in the new expansion, links to the developer diaries can be found on the eu4 wiki: http://www.eu4wiki.com/Developer_diaries#The_Cossacks

[Singular They]

What is the problem that some people see with the patch sans DLC? I thought it was that the IA plays with CS features while the player doesn't have them but someone above says that's not accurate. Others in the thread maintain there's _something_ wrong with the patch though. What is it?

[Laladen]

Originally posted by Singular They:

What is the problem that some people see with the patch sans DLC? I thought it was that the IA plays with CS features while the player doesn't have them but someone above says that's not accurate. Others in the thread maintain there's _something_ wrong with the patch though. What is it?

You can't expand quite as much as you used to be able to because coring costs increased, which people are saying it makes them take admin ideas, like they werent already always taking the administration idea =p

You can't kite larger armies all over the map anymore, and carpet seige with 30 2 stacks while doing so because of the fort mechanic. (great change)

It fundamentally changed the game (for the better IMHO) and some people wanted their cakewalk back.

I personally think they walked things back to far from 1.12.1 -> 1.13 with the nerf to AE. the AI won't accept a peace deal now if it will cause a coalition, and for the most part, neither will a player, and you have to have 50 AE to trigger a coalition, up from 30. So its effectively not even a part of the game anymore.

EU4 has to much perfect information available. The AI countries and player shouldn't know exactly where the line is to cause a coalition or what their army/navy size is, just an estimate would be better unless you have Espionage ideas.

[TentacleMayor]

I'm not having problems with the current state of the game compared to before the CS free patch. The forts and movement mechanics add a bit more depth. It feels like improving development level is very random, but if it's the same for the AI I can't complain.

Did one of these patches do something to manpower? I didn't play all that much before it but the game feels real stingy with manpower now and I'm not sure it was always quite this bad to the point where one battle can eat most of it.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Yes, MP is more scarce if you compare it to the likes of 1.3 patch or even after Art of War.

[Black_Rat]

manpower was overhauled a couple patches ago tmk. As for common sense (or any dlc for that matter), if you dont have the DLC, the AI cannot use anything that would come with the DLC.

So for CS the AI will NOT use MP to increase development, unless you have CS active.