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Stockwerk 13 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 3:32
Should i buy Leviathan DLC (complete noob)?
Hello Folks,
i am thinking about buying into EU4.
And by buying in, i mean buy all of it... call it stupidity but im just that kind of person.

HOWEVER when going through all the DLCs i was shocked by the leviathan steam reviews and kinda confused. Seems like its not only "bad" but completely broke the entire game?

Am i right on this? So should i stay far away from leviathan for now?

And if thats the case, are there other DLC which break the game? Like not by "oh i dont like" or "its not necesseray" im talking about gamebreaking bugs and stuff
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steven1mac 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 3:49 
Art of War is one of the better DLC, However if you do get into the game, the DLC will be on sale frequently, so I would wait for a sale before getting any of them. I would recommend buying the introduction bundle if your wanting to just by some DLC right off the bat. If you buying them through steam, most packages will not charge for DLC you already own, so you won't loose to much money buying a smaller package first and getting a larger pack later.

I can't speak if the Leviathan DLC is any good since I don't have it, but generally most of the content is playable without DLC, you will loose certain mechanics or events if you don't have the DLC however.

Currently the game does have several bugs they are working out, and some balancing issues that still need to be addressed. Most of the issues will be addressed in future patches, the unfortunate truth is this is fairly common with new updates for any paradox games, but are usually fixed within a month or two, however they allow you to play older versions of the game.
Brady Gunner 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 3:57 
Keep your money and stay away from the terrible DLC policy
tonypa 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 4:27 
引用自 Antipolar
HOWEVER when going through all the DLCs i was shocked by the leviathan steam reviews and kinda confused. Seems like its not only "bad" but completely broke the entire game?

Am i right on this? So should i stay far away from leviathan for now?

There are still bugs, and not all of them come from Leviathan DLC, many are caused by free 1.31.x patch you can download even without the Leviathan. Sadly most reviewers are unable to understand the difference.

But yes, the Leviathan DLC itself also still has some bugs, nothing major anymore, but most will be fixed eventually. Give it another month or 2 and it will be fine.
Invicti 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 4:48 
It literally has the lowest reviews on steam of anything, ever.

If you value your time, stay away from this trash
Brady Gunner 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 5:05 
引用自 MegasInvicta
It literally has the lowest reviews on steam of anything, ever.

If you value your time, stay away from this trash
based
tavald.musashi 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 5:49 
The game was updated some time ago.
It was so full of bugs, it looks like they uploaded a beta version by accident.
To play right now, and not be faced by all this bugs, most people sugest you to return to the previous version of the game.

If you are returning to the previous version, it will not be compatible with the last DLC.
So, I would say, don´t buy Leviathan.
When it goes on sale, check to see the reviews. Then you can decide to buy or not.
Brady Gunner 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 7:11 
引用自 micah6vs8
I can't imagine encountering EU$ as a newb at this point in its development. Kudos for the yolo. That is a steep learning curve.

I would not buy Leviathan. As you wrote it does "completely break the entire game." Leviathan is a fantasy DLC in a historical game- concentrate development, pillage capital and the favor system break any semblance of balancing.
Wouldn't say EU4 has a steep learning curve. Outside massive multiplayer lobbies, the game is very easy.
Kayden_II 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 7:27 
It's the worst thing on Steam ever and many of the "positive" reviews are based on pure sarcasm, so "sure", buy it, it's "worth" its money. GO GO GO !
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At@At 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 7:34 
A lot of the features in it are going to get hit with the nerf bat. I think you should wait until the next next dlc release to see what the devs do with Leviathan's balance. The PDX forums have spoken sadly. If Currying favors as it is right now is still unbalanced (as the PDX forum says) than they're just going to keep nerfing until there's no point in buying the dlc.
Brady Gunner 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 8:14 
引用自 At@At
A lot of the features in it are going to get hit with the nerf bat. I think you should wait until the next next dlc release to see what the devs do with Leviathan's balance. The PDX forums have spoken sadly. If Currying favors as it is right now is still unbalanced (as the PDX forum says) than they're just going to keep nerfing until there's no point in buying the dlc.
This just proves I was right all along abou DLCs just making the game easier and EU4 being pay to win.
Beef 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 8:33 
Wait for a Humble Bundle. only reasonably priced way
At@At 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 8:41 
引用自 Brady Gunner
引用自 At@At
A lot of the features in it are going to get hit with the nerf bat. I think you should wait until the next next dlc release to see what the devs do with Leviathan's balance. The PDX forums have spoken sadly. If Currying favors as it is right now is still unbalanced (as the PDX forum says) than they're just going to keep nerfing until there's no point in buying the dlc.
This just proves I was right all along abou DLCs just making the game easier and EU4 being pay to win.

They certainly nerfed the base game a ton...
The Boominator 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 8:58 
There's a lot of salt in here. Personally, I would recommend buying all of the expansion DLC except perhaps Leviathan and playing the game in patch 1.30.6 at the moment. That's peak EU4. However, I would recommend waiting a month until the Steam Summer Sale, during which all DLCs will be half off or more.

As for Leviathan itself, I think that it is playable as of now (patch 1.31.3), but it does make the game very imbalanced and much easier in general. If you want an easier experience, then go for it. Leviathan's new features for paying tall, colonization, leaders, and dynasties are all great, but other features like the new favors system and concentrating development make the game far too easy. It is also worth noting that several bugs do persist, but I don't think they are game-breaking at the moment.

EDIT: Get expansion DLC. Cosmetic DLC is personal preference, but it won't change your gameplay experience appreciably. I view cosmetics as a way to support the publisher, so your decision to purchase should be based upon how much you appreciate cosmetics as well as your opinion of the publisher.
最后由 The Boominator 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 8:59
volbound1700 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 9:25 
The DLC add a lot but you really need them all to get the effect. Even some of the lower ranking DLC add things like upgrade to Trade Centers and State Edicts that impact the game. The Subscription might be the best route to go or just buy the DLC on sale (which is what I do). I have them all now but I collected them slowly over time.

Leviathan's issues are more related to the general update than the actual DLC. Some of the concepts are NOT that bad with this DLC. I am playing an Ironman game on Version 1.31.1 which has worked fine ever since someone fixed the saved file. I got probably 12 achievements out of it including Anglophile.
Heraclius Caesar 2021 年 5 月 14 日 上午 10:30 
引用自 Brady Gunner
引用自 micah6vs8
I can't imagine encountering EU$ as a newb at this point in its development. Kudos for the yolo. That is a steep learning curve.

I would not buy Leviathan. As you wrote it does "completely break the entire game." Leviathan is a fantasy DLC in a historical game- concentrate development, pillage capital and the favor system break any semblance of balancing.
Wouldn't say EU4 has a steep learning curve. Outside massive multiplayer lobbies, the game is very easy.

Come on man. The game is notorious for having a "steep learning curve" and for being pretty difficult and unforgiving to new players, especially new players that never played a EU or perhaps even a Paradox game before.

To the OP - tbh, at first this game can be really frustrating, but if you're into the history of the time period of it and if you do start to get into the game after being savagely outplayed by the AI the 1st few campaigns you do, you will definitely be in for quite an experience, one that you'll easily sink many hours into. This is my opinion of the situation pre-Leviathan.

I don't own Leviathan and have not played the game since about a week prior to its release, but I do own all the other dlcs. I decided to do a "wait and see" approach with Leviathan. Some say its better now and less buggy, others say its still broken, crashes their games, is littered with bugs, etc. Personally, I will probably wait until at least 1 or 2 more hotfixes/updates come out before purchasing Leviathan and I would recommend the same to someone thinking about getting into the game for the first time.

However, like some have already mentioned, you can always get the game and everything except Leviathan, simply roll back to pre-Leviathan game version and play it like that. You should be good to go if you don't mind doing it like that :steamthumbsup:



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