Elections vs Sortition

[LilTaco]

In republics is it better to do an election or a sortition?

[bri]

Personally I'd say election.

[Mad Doctor]

It depends on where you are leading them. If you are going for the more authoritarian and centralised state, sortition. For a more "republican values" elections, but consider that holding frequent elections is not the best idea if you are often at war.
The choice between Plutocratic and Aristocratic ideas can also influence where you want to go.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Mad Doctor:

but consider that holding frequent elections is not the best idea if you are often at war.

Why is it not a good idea to have frequent elections when you are at war often?

[Mad Doctor]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by Mad Doctor:

but consider that holding frequent elections is not the best idea if you are often at war.

Why is it not a good idea to have frequent elections when you are at war often?

One, your ruler vanishes and if he was a general, your army is leaderless. Also, if you are in dire need of monarch points, a ever changing value is bad news.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Mad Doctor:

One, your ruler vanishes and if he was a general, your army is leaderless.

You don't have to click the election event immediately. You can leave it open for up to four months and in that time you should be able to have your army in an occupied province to exchange your leader if you don't want to reelect.

Originally posted by Mad Doctor:

Also, if you are in dire need of monarch points, a ever changing value is bad news.

You have it backwards. Shorter election cycles give much more monarch points. You get 50 points each time you reelect your ruler(about 1.3 points/month with a 3 year cycle) and all his skills increase by 1. After 5 reelections you have a 6/6/6 ruler and with 3 year election cycles that only takes 15 years. With 5 year election cycles it takes 25 years to get a 6/6/6.

[Vetgirig on Linux]

When your ruler is not 6 6 6 you have frequent election. When ruler is 6 6 6 you simply change to Sortition and enjoy the mana points rolling in. Each switch cost 50 goverment points but is worth it.

[Mad Doctor]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

You don't have to click the election event immediately. You can leave it open for up to four months and in that time you should be able to have your army in an occupied province to exchange your leader if you don't want to reelect.

You are assuming one has room and opportunity to move. War amidst several tiny provinces in the Empire in particular can be annoying if sieges last too long.

Originally posted by grotaclas:

You have it backwards. Shorter election cycles give much more monarch points. You get 50 points each time you reelect your ruler(about 1.3 points/month with a 3 year cycle) and all his skills increase by 1. After 5 reelections you have a 6/6/6 ruler and with 3 year election cycles that only takes 15 years. With 5 year election cycles it takes 25 years to get a 6/6/6.

Unless you are stuck with a 6/6/6 Craven Embezzler Cruel/Malevolent oaf. Managing loans, low manpower and all penalties one can imagine, all while your rivals and enemies grow more and more tempted to send their Strict Martial Educator Tactical Genius ruler with Shock 6/Maneuver 6/Fire 6 Inspirational Leader to lead his Prussian Legions into your face.

Based on a true story. Most bodies are yet to be found. No animals were hurt during this slaughter.

Hope Leviathan gives Republics/Theocracies a way to force resignation of useless rule that refuse to die. Even if it has a technology requirement or something.

[BoiledInPilk]

I enjoy sortition republics when paired with italian signatoria, getting royal marriage benefits without dealing with the painfully long elections, as well as a nice bit of corruption reduction while still having pretty good rulers. Otherwise, normal republics I think you are better cause you can pretty consistently have a 6/6/6 by reelecting and using strengthen government.

[Rodi]

Get 3 year election terms whenever possible
Sortition is ♥♥♥♥