Kirishitan Japan

[swilhelm73]

I see there are a few threads on getting this achievement but I wanted to better understand how it interacts with the various DLC.

I've seen various mentions that Domination and/or Mandate of Heaven make it easier (note I don't have either) but I can't see exactly how.

As far as I can tell looking through the events if you don't have either of those DLC you need to wait for the Nanban Boeki event to fire which requires you to meet a western country. This then allows other events to fire which can then covert your provinces to catholic and trigger religious rebels. And then you can convert when half your development value in provinces turn Catholic.

If I am understanding that correctly then starting as a daiymo you want to conquer all of Japan - including the Kurils and Ryuku but NOT outside of Japan as it just will make more provinces to convert - outside of perhaps taking exploration and colonizing Alaska

Exploration will make it easier to go find the European presumably as well.

In my current game I expanded way out of Japan but I think that was a mistake...unless Domination/Mandate of Heaven give another way to convert and then maybe I should just buy that DLC...

[RCMidas]

Mostly correct, except that converting through religious rebels only requires that the majority religion in your development is the religion you want - if you have only two religions, then it must be 50.1%+; if you have three religions, it must have more development than either of the other two individually, eg. it must be 34% if the other two are each at 33%; if you have four religions, it must have more development than any of the other three individually, and so on and so forth.

It can be really easy to switch religions through rebels if you have multiple faiths of roughly equal size in your empire. The bad news is that you have to perform the arithmetic manually to work it out - there is no way to see how much development a particular religion actually has, though you can at least see through the ledger how many provinces have that religion. So yeah, you have to count up the development for each religion in each of your provinces to be sure.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

The bad news is that you have to perform the arithmetic manually to work it out - there is no way to see how much development a particular religion actually has, though you can at least see through the ledger how many provinces have that religion.

This was actually changed in 1.37. If you hover your cursor over one of the individual "pie slices" in the ledger, it will still show the exact percentage of provinces that religion has, but it will now also show in parentheses the percentage of total development in your country that religion has as well.

[RCMidas]

Wait, seriously? That's f-ing amazing. Bit late in the day, but damn anyway!

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Quick correction, actually: after doing a bit of perusing through patchnotes, it seems this feature was added as part of patch 1.36. I just haven't seen it in action until more recent updates, and hadn't thought to check for myself.

[Marquoz]

Wow, awesome! I did not know that! It's a feature I've wanted for ages.

[swilhelm73]

So after you convert to Catholic does it make sense to immediately convert to protestant? You won't get cardinals/papal controller if you stay catholic...

[Narrowmind]

Pretty sure you have the chance to? Just like every other nation, you can control the papacy if you play the game, but it doesn't cost you anything to change to reform your faith to another Christian if you want.

[swilhelm73]

Well, if/when you conquer into Europe you can get cardinals but they won't appear in Asia/Africa right?

[RCMidas]

Cardinals in Europe only unless you are Catholic Kongo, in which case your missions give one cardinal permanently in your capital. It's a triggered modifier too, so you have to remain Catholic and have an African capital to benefit from the rest of the reward.

[Narrowmind]

Thank you for the clarity. I appreciate it.

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by swilhelm73:

So after you convert to Catholic does it make sense to immediately convert to protestant? You won't get cardinals/papal controller if you stay catholic...

Being papal controller is nice, but that's not why Catholicism is the game's strongest religion. The papal influence points you get from conversion and all the things besides being papal controller you can spend them on is what makes it so powerful. I stay Catholic as Kirishitan Japan for that reason. You'll be converting a tremendous number of provinces and swimming in valuable papal influence points as a result.

[swilhelm73]

So after a long time of doing nothing, I got the Christian events and after rebels took enough provinces I accepted their demands to convert to Catholic.

I notice I still have the "western trade" modifier though which significantly reduces missionary strength. It looks like the only thing that can get rid the "western trade" modifier is embracing the Sakoku law which would have stopped me from being able to convert to Catholic.

Is that the only solution then to fix the western trade modifier? I don't like the hit to institution spread.

[Narrowmind]

What year is it? Because Japan has an event when you'll be able to convert without rebel force.

[RCMidas]

Embrace the most recent Institution, enforce sakoku by decision, wait about 50 years...I know...and then choose to abandon sakoku when the event asking about that fires. That's the only way to rid yourself of the missionary strength problem.

[swilhelm73]

The year is 1547. I have a save from right before I accepted the rebels demands too so I might go back to that and let them auto convert more provinces,

I assume it is better to accept demands then let them break my country right?