what to do with france as england

[MiguelCairo]

doing the great britain route, anglophile run hopefully. my current run i am at 1540 with PUs over france and burgundy, own half of iberia, all of morroco, and half of new world. pretty good run but i just cant help but feel i am weaker than i would have been had i conquered france instead of PUd them. Manpower is lacking and while my income is good its not godly and now since the burgundy auto inhereit event didnt fire im staring down the barrel of centuries of trying to integrate them both

or should i reroll and annex france instead... decisionsssss

[Marquoz]

Keep the French PU. Complete Admin and Influence. Then your annexation cost will be 45% less than normal. Remember, you want to spend about as much Diplo mana annexing vassals as you do Admin mana coring direct conquests. Integrating France and Burgundy will do that :-).

I'm curious why the inheritance part of the Burgundian Inheritance didn't fire for you. You got the PU, after all. It should just be a matter of time.

[MiguelCairo]

the no-automatic-inheritance thing has happened to me various times... apparently if it doesn't fire by a certain year it never will i cant remember what year like 1517 something like that.

do you suggest starting over and taking those ideas or taking them next? i enjoy taking exploration and expansion and trying to block portugal and spain from colonizing. I always take whatever colonies they have at the time but the buggers are still already halfway to japan

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by MiguelCairo:

the no-automatic-inheritance thing has happened to me various times... apparently if it doesn't fire by a certain year it never will i cant remember what year like 1517 something like that.

Hmm. I thought it was just slow. I looked it up--MTH is 180 months (15 years), but I don't see an expiry date. After all, Marie has to die eventually...

As for the ideas, Admin and Influence are two of the best three groups in the game, the third being Diplo. If you're trying to be efficient, you should definitely take them at some point. Early colonizers have good reason to wait for them, but even nations like Portugal and Spain should get them pretty early on.

[MiguelCairo]

i just looked it up and found it can only fire within 40 years of the PU event... if it doesnt fire within 40 years it wont fire. i also read you have to be at peace so maybe that was my problem i just chain pulled wars almost the whole time

[Kapika96]

You shouldn't really be weaker with the French PU. Realistically you don't have enough governing capacity to state that land without a bunch of penalties, and a French PU is definitely more useful than 90% autonomy French land owned by you. So don't worry too much about integrating them until you're at the point you can spam - governing cost buildings everywhere.

Stack -diplo annexation cost modifiers. You can end up getting France to be stupidly cheap/quick to integrate. As GB you can stack -115% diplo annexation cost. - all power costs and admin efficiency stack onto that too. It seems you're capped at a 98.75% cost reduction for annexation/integration, but that's still massive and will make France cost barely anything.

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by MiguelCairo:

i just looked it up and found it can only fire within 40 years of the PU event... if it doesnt fire within 40 years it wont fire. i also read you have to be at peace so maybe that was my problem i just chain pulled wars almost the whole time

I've done a quick pass through the event files and the 40 years thing is real--there's a hidden modifier added to Burgundy called "Mary is on the throne" that expires after 40 years. But the event has a MTH of 15 years, so odds are strongly in favor of the event firing before the modifier expires. You've been unlucky more than once.

Burgundy does need to be at peace, though, so you should probably make sure you have a peaceful interval in there somewhere around the 15 year mark. Perhaps you can take a break from expansion while you're completing an Admin idea group--I typically pause when I unlock Admin itself until I get the third idea that lowers coring costs so that I don't pay more points than I need to.

[dbond1]

Originally posted by MiguelCairo:

or should i reroll and annex france instead... decisionsssss

I'd keep the PU. It's strong, and in the early going is a massive help for any continental ambitions you may have. Keeping it may be difficult, and integrating will be costly. I'd definitely go Influence with France as a subject.

Next run as England you can annex instead. I'd keep the PU and see what you can do.

[MiguelCairo]

i ended up using burgundy and france to split apart the ottomans and russia and dismantle hre while i annexed italy. it worked really quite nicely foregoing military ideas until idea group 5 and just using them both as my left and right arms. GB is super strong with these PUs

[Marquoz]

I pretty much never take a military idea group before 6, if I ever do. Unless an achievement mandates it, that is.