Impossible to inherit PU?

[Seryu Ubiquitous]

Im playing as austria and im having a 66% chance to inherite hungary. i disinherit my ruler but nothing happens. did it about 20 times and nothing happens. is this a bug? is the problem that its a incorporated PU?

[bri]

There isn't a die roll involved so save-scumming won't get a different result. There's a set formula involving character id numbers of your ruler and some other things that gives the final "die roll" that is compared to the chance to inherit. If you go to the official forum and look up Atwix's personal union mega-thread the specifics are in there.

[grotaclas]

While Atwix's guide has the basics of the formula, he only describes them in how they apply to getting a PU in the first place. He didn't know that it is also used to calculate how to inherit them. And since the guide was written, the calculation was changed from using the inheritance value of the senior partner for all PUs to using the inheritance value of the junior partner. You can find the actual formula in my post about the topic on the paradox forum:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/how-junior-partner-inheritance-really-works-hint-it-is-not-a-dice-roll.1508465/

There is also a comment by Johan with the actual source code

[Kapika96]

Success is determined when your ruler takes over, not when they die. At that point it's determined what % chance you need when your ruler dies to inherit. Meaning no amount of re-trying will ever change the result, unless you adjust something to increase your % chance to inherit. If you can quickly boost dip rep or something that may do it. Impossible to say exactly what the threshold is though. It might require 68%, in which case 1 extra dip rep would do, it might require 95%, in which case there's nothing you can do. You'll just have to hope the roll for your next ruler is better so that when they die you can inherit.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

Success is determined when your ruler takes over, not when they die. At that point it's determined what % chance you need when your ruler dies to inherit.

This is wrong. You can check my forum post which I linked above for the actual calculation.

[Seryu Ubiquitous]

this looks absolutly horrible so im going to waste my diplopoints to do it manualy because this system dont make any sense to me. but ty for the answers...

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by Seryu Ubiquitous:

this looks absolutly horrible so im going to waste my diplopoints to do it manualy because this system dont make any sense to me. but ty for the answers...

Manual integration is pretty much the default way to do it; full inheritance is more like a really pleasant surprise.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

The one case where it is really worth it to wait on PU inheritance via ruler death is when you're doing an HRE Emperor run as a nation that does not start off as an Elector, and have a PU over a nation that is an Elector. Manually integrating a Junior Partner Elector causes that Elector slot to be emptied and forces you to appoint a new one; inheriting them causes you to inherit their Elector status for yourself as well.

In the past, this was more or less the only way to get yourself Electorship status as a non-Elector (barring unique events triggered by mission rewards such as Hungary's or Bavaria's), as the Emperor cannot appoint himself as an Elector, and AI Emperors tend to heavily favor small Theocracies whenever there is an empty Elector slot. Nowadays, there are various decisions allowing you to buy or steal the Electorate status of your Elector subject, but I would still consider PU inheritance as a worthwhile alternative to these if you have the patience for it.

[Seryu Ubiquitous]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

The one case where it is really worth it to wait on PU inheritance via ruler death is when you're doing an HRE Emperor run as a nation that does not start off as an Elector, and have a PU over a nation that is an Elector. Manually integrating a Junior Partner Elector causes that Elector slot to be emptied and forces you to appoint a new one; inheriting them causes you to inherit their Elector status for yourself as well.

In the past, this was more or less the only way to get yourself Electorship status as a non-Elector (barring unique events triggered by mission rewards such as Hungary's or Bavaria's), as the Emperor cannot appoint himself as an Elector, and AI Emperors tend to heavily favor small Theocracies whenever there is an empty Elector slot. Nowadays, there are various decisions allowing you to buy or steal the Electorate status of your Elector subject, but I would still consider PU inheritance as a worthwhile alternative to these if you have the patience for it.

true, nice that there are easier ways now.

[bri]

It also saves you potentially massive amounts of diplo mana...

While Atwix's guide has the basics of the formula, he only describes them in how they apply to getting a PU in the first place. He didn't know that it is also used to calculate how to inherit them. And since the guide was written, the calculation was changed from using the inheritance value of the senior partner for all PUs to using the inheritance value of the junior partner. You can find the actual formula in my post about the topic on the paradox forum:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/how-junior-partner-inheritance-really-works-hint-it-is-not-a-dice-roll.1508465/

There is also a comment by Johan with the actual source code

Ah, it's been a fair while since I spent a lot of time on the official forum so I didn't know about the changes. Last I heard was that someone had finally figured out the specifics of how the number was generated, or near enough that Johan came clean about it...