Tinto Talks

[Marquoz]

Johan is posting a series of Dev Diaries for an upcoming Paradox game on the official boards. The link to the second is here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-2-march-6th-2024.1626415/

The game's code name is Project Caesar, but that doesn't mean it is related to Rome. Paradox has an old tradition of code-naming games under development after various Emperors.

You'll note that the map screenshots have a global scope. Tinto definitely isn't making HOI5 or Victoria 4, and the CK series isn't global, so I think EU5 is by far the most likely candidate. But a brand-new title can't be ruled out.

[RCMidas]

Originally posted by hannibal_pjv:

Originally posted by Paddy:

Now that EU5 has been unofficially officially announced when is the release date? lol

How long it did take for Victoria 3… you get some estimation from there.

April '22 saw a leaked in-progress version, as I recall, then it was fully released October same year. Six months between them. Cut down maybe two months for the leak, and you're looking at lower-end four and upper-end five months, thereabouts, between official announcement and release?

[Paddy]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Originally posted by hannibal_pjv:

How long it did take for Victoria 3… you get some estimation from there.

April '22 saw a leaked in-progress version, as I recall, then it was fully released October same year. Six months between them. Cut down maybe two months for the leak, and you're looking at lower-end four and upper-end five months, thereabouts, between official announcement and release?

Yea I'd say it will be late this year aswell. They are already leaking EU5 and the preferable release date for Paradox is the end of the year. Also they need a major title to release this year after the very poor string of releases late last year

[Hellenic Born]

Well at least they could make it so tripolitanian troops do not siege viena or Helsinki.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

I would prefer that the "woke" discussion in this thread ended. Talking about modern politics on gaming forums leads to flame wars and bans. Let's acknowledge slavery is in the game and move on.

[Narrowmind]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

It did take me longer in EU4 than EU3. I think EU4 is inherently deeper and has more complex interacting systems than previous titles in the series. As for EU5, you're right that it has to be sufficiently different. If not, there's no compelling reason for the title to exist. But whether I'll like it more than EU4 or not is impossible to say yet. I don't know if the core gamplay loop in EU5 will be as compelling and interesting as 4 was. I hope it is, of course, but we'll see.

Thank yiu, sir.

[Paddy]

I just had a read through Tinto talks. It definitely won't be released this year as they said they are still some time away from announcing it and are only putting out the current details go get feedback and change direction if they need. I'd say they will announce it later this year officially and release next year as they also said they don't like to hype a game too long before release either. I mean it's already getting hyped now as everyone knows it's EU5 so I hope they don't keep stringing us along

[The Doctor]

A whole new game based on roughly the same period as the EU franchise seems likely to me. I don't see how an EU5 game could be successful and the title of the game itself is problematic for a number of reasons so perhaps an all-new EU game is on the cards?

WRT dev diarys as an indicator of where development currently is, Tinto isn't PDS so it's anybody's guess - a year+ would seem likely if they're following the PDS model but less is possible too.

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by The Doctor:

A whole new game based on roughly the same period as the EU franchise seems likely to me. I don't see how an EU5 game could be successful and the title of the game itself is problematic for a number of reasons so perhaps an all-new EU game is on the cards?

People generally don't throw away famous recognisable brand names just because.

Unless they're a South African muppet. But I don't think Paradox are run by muppets...

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

Originally posted by The Doctor:

A whole new game based on roughly the same period as the EU franchise seems likely to me. I don't see how an EU5 game could be successful and the title of the game itself is problematic for a number of reasons so perhaps an all-new EU game is on the cards?

People generally don't throw away famous recognisable brand names just because.

Unless they're a South African muppet. But I don't think Paradox are run by muppets...

Please note that I, personally, do not agree with what follows. :D

Europa Universalis has become a somewhat more problematic title. I'm not going to explain why because I strongly disagree with the idea but I think you know what the objections will be.

Changing the title would free the developers from the shackles of what was in EU4 at the end of 10 years of development and allow them to make a whole new game as a result. Calling it EU5 is problematic because people will want everything that EU4 has at the end of development and accuse the developers of cutting content to sell back ... blah blah blah.

Just think of the freedom they would have were they to throw out pretty much all the systems and start again.

Is this going to happen? I haven't got a clue but I'm explaining my reasoning why I think there might not be a EU5 but a whole new game instead. As far as I know, EU5 may be announced very shortly and so I can't say for certain. I won't mind if they do but I think EU5 is going to be a very difficult thing to pull off.

[Octopuses]

I would assume another EU4 DLC after this one and then EU5.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by The Doctor:

Originally posted by Kapika96:

People generally don't throw away famous recognisable brand names just because.

Unless they're a South African muppet. But I don't think Paradox are run by muppets...

Please note that I, personally, do not agree with what follows. :D

Europa Universalis has become a somewhat more problematic title. I'm not going to explain why because I strongly disagree with the idea but I think you know what the objections will be.

Changing the title would free the developers from the shackles of what was in EU4 at the end of 10 years of development and allow them to make a whole new game as a result. Calling it EU5 is problematic because people will want everything that EU4 has at the end of development and accuse the developers of cutting content to sell back ... blah blah blah.

Just think of the freedom they would have were they to throw out pretty much all the systems and start again.

Is this going to happen? I haven't got a clue but I'm explaining my reasoning why I think there might not be a EU5 but a whole new game instead. As far as I know, EU5 may be announced very shortly and so I can't say for certain. I won't mind if they do but I think EU5 is going to be a very difficult thing to pull off.

I feel it all depends on the marketing. No-one is expected a DLC packed EU4 with EU5 but they are still expecting many innovative features. However as I said it all depends on how Paradox market this game. One of the worst Paradox games in recent times is Cities Skylines 2. It's an absolute disaster largely because the features that were marketed in the game simply doesn't work or doesn't work as intended or perhaps were never fully implemented. As long as the Maketing team solely focus on what works well and bring out Mod support on release which is essential I feel a vanilla EU5 will do very well

[grognardgary]

Sadly what I am reading suggest that as much as I would love to give this EU version a shot as I have all the others it almost cerainly isn't going work on my current computer.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by The Doctor:

Originally posted by Kapika96:

People generally don't throw away famous recognisable brand names just because.

Unless they're a South African muppet. But I don't think Paradox are run by muppets...

Please note that I, personally, do not agree with what follows. :D

Europa Universalis has become a somewhat more problematic title. I'm not going to explain why because I strongly disagree with the idea but I think you know what the objections will be.

Changing the title would free the developers from the shackles of what was in EU4 at the end of 10 years of development and allow them to make a whole new game as a result. Calling it EU5 is problematic because people will want everything that EU4 has at the end of development and accuse the developers of cutting content to sell back ... blah blah blah.

Just think of the freedom they would have were they to throw out pretty much all the systems and start again.

Is this going to happen? I haven't got a clue but I'm explaining my reasoning why I think there might not be a EU5 but a whole new game instead. As far as I know, EU5 may be announced very shortly and so I can't say for certain. I won't mind if they do but I think EU5 is going to be a very difficult thing to pull off.

Skirting around the issue of why some people would object to the title, I don't think Paradox really has to worry about those people- simply on the grounds that their primary initial playerbase will be people who already play EU4, and if you're already playing a Europa Universalis game I think it's safe to assume you don't object to the title very much.

[Hellenic Born]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Skirting around the issue of why some people would object to the title, I don't think Paradox really has to worry about those people- simply on the grounds that their primary initial playerbase will be people who already play EU4, and if you're already playing a Europa Universalis game I think it's safe to assume you don't object to the title very much.

Thats a fair point and i agree with you, i would buy it, if "normal" pricing and not !woke!

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Skirting around the issue of why some people would object to the title, I don't think Paradox really has to worry about those people- simply on the grounds that their primary initial playerbase will be people who already play EU4, and if you're already playing a Europa Universalis game I think it's safe to assume you don't object to the title very much.

Right. I said in my OP that a new IP is possible. However, I don't think Paradox will ever abandon the EU series. It's what made their company in the first place. It has enormous name recognition in the strategy space and a strong gaming history. From a marketing standpoint alone, that's too valuable to throw out. If the "Tinto Talks" diaries are about a game that's not EU5, we'll still get EU5 later on.

Edit: and one final note. The Tinto studio was created for the express purpose of generating EU content. That's all they do.