Tinto Talks

[Marquoz]

Johan is posting a series of Dev Diaries for an upcoming Paradox game on the official boards. The link to the second is here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-2-march-6th-2024.1626415/

The game's code name is Project Caesar, but that doesn't mean it is related to Rome. Paradox has an old tradition of code-naming games under development after various Emperors.

You'll note that the map screenshots have a global scope. Tinto definitely isn't making HOI5 or Victoria 4, and the CK series isn't global, so I think EU5 is by far the most likely candidate. But a brand-new title can't be ruled out.

[Malvastor]

Interesting that they went with an extra level of geographic granularity- wonder if the map is supposed to work more like CK, where a province can contain one or more cities or comparable settlements.

Thanks for sharing!

[grognardgary]

Nice,,, Looks promising

[THE ADORING FAN]

Thanks for posting this, Marquoz! It looks really interesting, it seems the general consensus on the forums is that it's likely to be EU5, and if so, with the info provided, maybe it'll be more than just a relatively bare bones launch (like Imperator: Rome was). Navigable Caspian sea? Climate, topography vegetation rather than just terrain in a province? Sea wasteland provinces forcing head on naval battles rather than avoiding the enemy? That would certainly be interesting. A lot of people including myself seemed to think it would have been more or less just an engine upgrade and sparse content wise on launch, but the potential depth added could really make it a proper successor to EUIV.

I just hope this time, the focus in regards to game balance will be solely based on the single player iron man experience, rather than prioritising the multiplayer experience, which seemed to happen in the latter part of 4's life cycle and lead to some changes I wasn't so keen on personally.

[Octopuses]

I like the removal of monarch points and the new sea tiles.

[Marquoz]

I haven't seen any mention of monarch point removal. But I agree, the sea tiles are conceptually interesting.

[grognardgary]

For my part I want the RC church bennies nerfed that was just silly historically.

[Marquoz]

Today's Tinto Talks is interesting: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-3-march-13th-2024.1630154/

--The game will use pops
--There will be 27,518 unique locations on the map
--Despite both of these factors, performance is supposedly great and does not slow down in later years of the game

[Octopuses]

I like these additions. Feels like EU5 and not just EU4 part 2.

[Erika]

it's pretty much guarenteed to be eu5 from todays diary.
The pop breakdown is 100% byzantium around 1400-1450 ish era.

And they are adding slaves and population back in, which is neat. (i don't condone irl slavery, but it was definitly a thing that was done back then, so it should be allowed in games in that setting)

[THE ADORING FAN]

^ Indeed, it's good they didn't go 'woke' in this instance, all of history must be shown, however uncomfortable it might make the modern audience. Anything less would be dishonest/misleading. Especially since you can be the first to abolish it, should you so choose.

If it's true that the late game performance will be optimised, in addition to new features, hopefully we'll see more games last to the end date, rather than giving up out of boredom or frustrated by the performance issues by the 1600's. Special shoutout to anyone who runs the HRE or Daiymo vassal swarm in the 1600's/1700's whenever a war is declared, that's the stuff of nightmares.

Cautiously optimistic about the news so far, fingers crossed!

[Erika]

Originally posted by Masterworks, all.:

^ Indeed, it's good they didn't go 'woke' in this instance, all of history must be shown, however uncomfortable it might make the modern audience. Anything less would be dishonest/misleading. Especially since you can be the first to abolish it, should you so choose.

If it's true that the late game performance will be optimised, in addition to new features, hopefully we'll see more games last to the end date, rather than giving up out of boredom or frustrated by the performance issues by the 1600's. Special shoutout to anyone who runs the HRE or Daiymo vassal swarm in the 1600's/1700's whenever a war is declared, that's the stuff of nightmares.

Cautiously optimistic about the news so far, fingers crossed!

that makes no sense . Showing slavery, and showing the world isn't perfect IS the point of woke. Being awaken to the world not being perfect.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Masterworks, all.:

^ Indeed, it's good they didn't go 'woke' in this instance, all of history must be shown, however uncomfortable it might make the modern audience. Anything less would be dishonest/misleading. Especially since you can be the first to abolish it, should you so choose.

If it's true that the late game performance will be optimised, in addition to new features, hopefully we'll see more games last to the end date, rather than giving up out of boredom or frustrated by the performance issues by the 1600's. Special shoutout to anyone who runs the HRE or Daiymo vassal swarm in the 1600's/1700's whenever a war is declared, that's the stuff of nightmares.

Cautiously optimistic about the news so far, fingers crossed!

that makes no sense . Showing slavery, and showing the world isn't perfect IS the point of woke. Being awaken to the world not being perfect.

You would think, yes. But there are certain persons out there who would vocally object to any fictional depiction of slavery that wasn't primarily focused on the morality of it- and even to a lot of morality-focused works if they didn't get it just right.

[Revy]

doesnt look like eu5.. thank god

[Marquoz]

I would prefer that the "woke" discussion in this thread ended. Talking about modern politics on gaming forums leads to flame wars and bans. Let's acknowledge slavery is in the game and move on.

[THE ADORING FAN]

Certainly, didn't mean to cause any controversy or derail the thread, apologies.