Would this tag-switch run be possible?

[Messman]

Provence - Tuscany - Two Sicilies - Sardinia Piedmont - France - Austria - Italy - Roman Empire - HRE

I'm skipping Jerusalem cause I cba to do it and leave the HRE. Is the run above posible? Is there anything I am missing or any way to make it even better?

[GOOD MORNING VIETNAM]

France and Italy are end game tags so you can't form both, and you would have to form them before the Roman Empire. I am not sure about forming the HRE as the Roman Empire - I think you can.

[Messman]

Are you sure? I see a lot of people forming Austria/France and then going on to form either Italy or Germany followed by Roman Empire and HRE.

Also, which of these nations has the best national ideas? Which one should I keep?

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by Messman:

Are you sure? I see a lot of people forming Austria/France and then going on to form either Italy or Germany followed by Roman Empire and HRE.

Austria, yes. Austria is not an end game tag and can indeed form Italy, Germany, the Roman Empire, or the HRE. France cannot--it can become Emperor and unite the HRE, and it can form the Roman Empire, but it can't switch to Italy, Germany, Sardinia-Piedmont, and so on. And once you form the HRE (as opposed to being its Emperor), you can't go on to become the Roman Empire.

As for the best national ideas, it depends on your play style. Italy has great CCR and improve relations. Austria is best at stacking Diplo rep, annexing vassals, and earning imperial authority. Etc.

[endymionologist]

Austria is not an End-tag, but for the rest you will have to choose between either France or Italy. Austria can form Prussia which is not an End-tag. If you DID go Jerusalem, the Latin Empire is not an End-tag and could form Tuscany.

Ideas are more situational, I would advise you to look them up with each new tag formation and think about what they would do in your current gamestate.

[Matze3]

Austria is not an end-game tag. France however is. You're still allowed to form the Roman empire but other nations aren't possible anymore. After forming the roman empire you could become the Holy roman empire if you are emperor of the hre but nothing else.
At least in iron-man mode with achievements.
If you disable limited country formation you could form other nations but then you won't get any achievements anymore.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Messman:

Are you sure? I see a lot of people forming Austria/France and then going on to form either Italy or Germany followed by Roman Empire and HRE.

That was probably in older versions. France only became an endgame tag in 1.35

[RCMidas]

Latin Empire is an end-game tag too now, as I recall, since it's limited to Crusaders/Jerusalem and a fallen Byzantium.

Remember also that Prussia requires you to be one of the four Reformation Christians (Hussite, Protestant, Reformed, Anglican) if you're not starting as the Teutonic Order and using their "Lions of the North" DLC missions.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Latin Empire is an end-game tag too now, as I recall, since it's limited to Crusaders/Jerusalem and a fallen Byzantium.

How does that make them an endgame tag? If you form the Latin Empire as Byzantium, you won't be able to form most other countries, because you were the endgame tag Byzantium. But if you form them as Jerusalem, you have no such restriction.

[Keijo]

If you play as burgundy you can click the mission to form lotharingia and form france while the popup window is open and complete their missions and then form lotharingia as france.

[RCMidas]

Interesting. The wiki mistakenly states that the Latin Empire is now an end-game tag, but said tag (LAE) is missing from the scripted_triggers document that details all the others. Maybe it was changed to and fro at some point?

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Interesting. The wiki mistakenly states that the Latin Empire is now an end-game tag, but said tag (LAE) is missing from the scripted_triggers document that details all the others. Maybe it was changed to and fro at some point?

It's not in the list of endgame tags on the wiki[eu4.paradoxwikis.com]. But I now saw that it is marked as an endgame tag in the list of formable countries. I have no idea why that is, because the latin empire was never an endgame tag. I'll fix that list

[fingerneun]

Have you checked what the crusader mission the Latin Empire does? I remember that there has been a warning. Last July when I did Cyprus-> Jerusalem->France for some late France achievement

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by fingerneun:

Have you checked what the crusader mission the Latin Empire does? I remember that there has been a warning. Last July when I did Cyprus-> Jerusalem->France for some late France achievement

That just triggers the event The Latin Empire[eu4.paradoxwikis.com]. I don't see any warning and I don't know what the warning could be about.
But you get a warning if you form the latin empire as Byzantium, because it disables byantium specific achievements

[fingerneun]

I tested Epirus->Latin Empire -> Two Siciles. Does work now.