How hard is this compared to HOI4?

[Pneumothorax]

Title. Thinking about getting this.

[terje439]

It is difficult to give an exact answer to that imo, as that depends on what you find easy and what you find hard with HOI IV, however.

Tech is easier (gain enough monarchpoints (MP) in a category, press a button, no "do I want panther or tiger tank style decision).

War per se is the same (move your stack onto enemy stack and watch them fight, tech level, leader stats and army composition more or less the only variables)

Diplomacy is harder (you can get personal unions through marriages, change religion and your former friends might hate you, etc)

Peace offers are a little more complex (more options to chose from, and beware of Agressive Expansion)

Pace is different, HOI IV is aprox a decade, EU IV is 4 centuries)

General gameplay is different, in HOI IV it is basically win WWII, here you are much more free to chose what you want to do. Conquer the world? Form GB as Scotland? Become a Great Power as Hungary? Colonize the uncolonized areas? So many more options here.

I will claim that I rate this game as harder than HOI IV (so expect a few "lost" games), but I also consider this a far better and much more fun game than HOI IV.

Sorry I could not be more helpful, the best might be to watch a YT video or three to make up your own mind.

[EA Latium]

In general, it is way harder, basically there are many more moving parts. However, there is a big difference in the learning curve, as the overall pacing differs, so in a way EU4 is more friendly to beginners. In a nutshell, I'd say it's easier to learn but harder to master, you just have to play it with a different mindset.

All in all is a much more dynamic title, there is a lot of more freedom, so you'll have plenty of room for experimenting.

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Edit: link

[bri]

I'd say that in some ways HoI is harder, in others EU. For example resource management, logistics, and so on are much more complicated in HoI. Naval warfare is more complicated in HoI, supply lines are much more meaningful, war planning and army management as well. OTOH, diplomacy is more complicated in EU IV, ruler ability is more impactful in EU-change ruler in HoI and there's usually no real change, in EU it can radically change things between the raw numbers the ruler provides and the ruler traits.

[Red]

I've wondered the same thing but to come from this to HOI.
Comments give me confidence.

I've played many of the top strategy games and this one was tough to get the hang of i can confess that.
Took nothing short of 200 hours and 50 restarts before enough clicked i had a sense of what i'm actually doing. I'm not big on using guides though.
Only other strategy game i've played with a steep of a learning curve.. possibly more is Wargame: Red Dragon.

[Drevin]

Just get the game. It's a nice experience to play such a game. As others have said, maybe in some regards it's easier than HOI4, in others in might be harder. And as in HOI4 it depends who you're playing as. You could start with a few easier and chill nations, then move on to some more complicated ones. And before you buy, watch some Youtube guides. The first step is to understand the UI, and typically it takes 30-60 min for an Youtuber to just explain the start situation and UI before even unpausing the game.

BTW, people complain about AI debt in the current patch and are waiting for a fix. Maybe you would like to wait a bit before trying the game.

[Patrick Star Fan]

Messaggio originale di terje439:

It is difficult to give an exact answer to that imo, as that depends on what you find easy and what you find hard with HOI IV, however.

Tech is easier (gain enough monarchpoints (MP) in a category, press a button, no "do I want panther or tiger tank style decision).

War per se is the same (move your stack onto enemy stack and watch them fight, tech level, leader stats and army composition more or less the only variables)

Diplomacy is harder (you can get personal unions through marriages, change religion and your former friends might hate you, etc)

Peace offers are a little more complex (more options to chose from, and beware of Agressive Expansion)

Pace is different, HOI IV is aprox a decade, EU IV is 4 centuries)

General gameplay is different, in HOI IV it is basically win WWII, here you are much more free to chose what you want to do. Conquer the world? Form GB as Scotland? Become a Great Power as Hungary? Colonize the uncolonized areas? So many more options here.

I will claim that I rate this game as harder than HOI IV (so expect a few "lost" games), but I also consider this a far better and much more fun game than HOI IV.

Sorry I could not be more helpful, the best might be to watch a YT video or three to make up your own mind.

One thing I've noticed about HOI4 warfare is that numbers don't seem to be as important as they are in EU4.

[Razor Feather]

HOI and eu4 present fairly different challenges and thus their difficulty is not super directly comparable, however I reckon that eu4 will be the more challenging of the two for most players to pick up, because the time span of the game is quite long and there are a number of long term and somewhat unintuitive resources and threats that need to be managed, which leads to a lot of newer players getting themselves into really nasty situations by midgame, even as stronger starts.

Tech for example in eu4 is on the surface quite straightforward, click button, make number go up, tech done. However, tech costs monarch points, which are also used on a number of other things and are only generated in a fairly limited rate, and the cost of tech can get unsustainably high if you don't keep on top of institutions, which means mismanaging those points early on can leave you painfully far behind later.

Wars are also quite a bit less all encompassing than those of HOI4, as you often can't conquer a large nation in just one war, so you need to plan for how to not just win wars, but also how to come out the other side strong enough to fight the next one, and the one after, and so on.

However, if you're willing to stick with it for awhile and get the hang of it, you will find that it has a lot to offer, and it also has a far greater diversity of particularly interesting starting countries to choose from than HOI, as in eu4 playing as a small, out of the way country isn't nearly as limiting as it can be in HOI.

[Ninjaclan25]

hoi4 is easy. if you are good enough at the hoi mechanics you can obliterate anything. with this you need considerably more skill to do that with small countries, but with reasonable power differences between you and an enemy its pretty straight forward

[AnotherGuy]

Hard to get into, but It's interesting once you figure out the economics.
if you want to try it I have an extra code you could have.