How to form Rum

[NukacolaBottleCap]

So I'm finally making an attempt to form Rum as Aq Qoyunlu and the decision to form Rum doesn't appear. I've taken all of Anatolia and Constantinople, but nothing. It seems like only the Beyliks can form Rum. Can someone confirm?

[Marquoz]

As always, check the wiki before starting your campaign. The requirements are:

Potential requirements

Rûm does not exist.
The country:

was never an end-game nation.
is not Ottomans, the Holy Roman Empire, the Papal State,Byzantium, Russia, Prussia or England.
is not the Emperor of China.
has not yet enacted this decision.
is not a colonial nation.
has Turkish as primary culture

If the country is AI-controlled then it:

is not a subject nation other than a tributary state or a cultural influenced state.
is not a custom nation
is not a former colonial nation.
Playing with normal or historical nations

Allow
Ottomans and Byzantium do not exist.
The country:

is not a subject nation.
is not at war.
is not a nomad nation.
is Muslim.

owns its core provinces:
Constantinople (151)
Kocaeli (316)
Konya (323)
Ankara (326)
Sivas (329)
Erzurum (331)
Kayseri (2301)
Sultanönü (4312).

So: do the Ottomans exist? Does Byzantium exist? Do you have Turkish as your primary culture? Do you own the required provinces?

[grotaclas]

If you can't see the decision, it means that you don't fulfill the "Potential requirements". My guess would be that your primary culture is wrong or that you are playing with mods which change the requirements.

[NukacolaBottleCap]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

So: do the Ottomans exist? Does Byzantium exist? Do you have Turkish as your primary culture? Do you own the required provinces?

Yeah I checked the wiki. I've fulfilled all of those requirements, but still no decision available.

[RCMidas]

Ottomans and Byzantium don't exist, you're still Muslim, you've got all the required provinces as CORES, you're independent and at peace, and you're no longer a Tribal Federation. That last one may be doing it. You must be a true monarchy, republic, or theocracy.

EDIT: That includes the unlockable "Modernized Turkoman Federation" reform that a King of Kings DLC mission can provide for you.

[Octopuses]

Screenshots would help.

[NukacolaBottleCap]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

If you can't see the decision, it means that you don't fulfill the "Potential requirements". My guess would be that your primary culture is wrong or that you are playing with mods which change the requirements.

So I messed around with my mods and you are right. Europa Expanded Mission Tree mod removes the option for AQ and QQ to form Rum. More reasons for me to stop playing with that mod. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction

[grognardgary]

!st you need some sugar with which to help make molasses...

Sometimes I just can't help myself...

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by NukacolaBottleCap:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

If you can't see the decision, it means that you don't fulfill the "Potential requirements". My guess would be that your primary culture is wrong or that you are playing with mods which change the requirements.

So I messed around with my mods and you are right. Europa Expanded Mission Tree mod removes the option for AQ and QQ to form Rum. More reasons for me to stop playing with that mod.

Or any mod except for a graphics one. Mods are notorious for breaking anything and everything. I occasionally play Voltaire's Nightmare or MEIOU, but those are so far removed from normal EU4 that there's almost nothing "default normal" about them.

[Narrowmind]

Music mods are only stepping stones to greater glory for some of us. They don't break anything!

[Marquoz]

I totally forget those exist because I've had the music turned off for about, oh, 6300 hours. Lol.

[Narrowmind]

Yeah, I know! 😂 Don't know how you did it!