Do achievements still need ironman?

[biodtox]

I've been thinking about returning do EU4 and I like to use achievements as general goals of what to do next. I don't like ironman though. Did they go CK3 route and remove the need for ironman?

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Yes, achievements still require Ironman, and likely will continue to do so until EU5 releases in a few years. It's only Paradox's newer titles that do that level of shameless pandering to the absolute laziest and most casual players, and EU4 certainly isn't one of them.

[grotaclas]

They still need ironman. I think the developers have not shown interest in changing this. But this hardly matters, because you can easily savescum in ironman anyway. There are also tools like pdx unlimiter which can automatically create backups of your saves and launch them with the click of a button.

[Tux]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Yes, achievements still require Ironman, and likely will continue to do so until EU5 releases in a few years. It's only Paradox's newer titles that do that level of shameless pandering to the absolute laziest and most casual players, and EU4 certainly isn't one of them.

Newer games don't require Ironman? Which ones?

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Tux:

Newer games don't require Ironman? Which ones?

Victoria 3 allowed achievements without ironman from the start and ck3 followed shortly afterwards

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

It's only Paradox's newer titles that do that level of shameless pandering to the absolute laziest and most casual players, and EU4 certainly isn't one of them.

Yes because you totally can't get all achievements on the same day using third party software.

It would be a good thing if Paradox didn't make achievements into ironman and I look forward to that when EU5 releases. Ironman heavily restricts what you can use, this includes the colour of your nation, as I've said many times even cosmetic changes are forbidden.

This old system doesn't work just like how it tries to stop save scumming and hopelessly fails.

[JVC]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Protogen:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

It's only Paradox's newer titles that do that level of shameless pandering to the absolute laziest and most casual players, and EU4 certainly isn't one of them.

Yes because you totally can't get all achievements on the same day using third party software.

It would be a good thing if Paradox didn't make achievements into ironman and I look forward to that when EU5 releases. Ironman heavily restricts what you can use, this includes the colour of your nation, as I've said many times even cosmetic changes are forbidden.

This old system doesn't work just like how it tries to stop save scumming and hopelessly fails.

People aren't going to be modding the game just to give your country a new colour. Let's be real here. No modding is a rule easy to understand.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Protogen:

It would be a good thing if Paradox didn't make achievements into ironman and I look forward to that when EU5 releases. Ironman heavily restricts what you can use, this includes the colour of your nation, as I've said many times even cosmetic changes are forbidden

This is not an ironman restriction. You can change your color with mods on ironman. This changes the checksum which disables achievements. But lifting the ironman requirement would not help if they don't also lift the checksum requirement. And the checksum requirement could be lifted without lifting the ironman requirement. And color changes could just be put in a different file so that they are allowed without changing the checksum. So that's not really an argument for lifting the ironman restriction

[biodtox]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Yes, achievements still require Ironman, and likely will continue to do so until EU5 releases in a few years. It's only Paradox's newer titles that do that level of shameless pandering to the absolute laziest and most casual players, and EU4 certainly isn't one of them.

Watch out fellas we have an elite gamer here

[biodtox]

Originally posted by Tux:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Yes, achievements still require Ironman, and likely will continue to do so until EU5 releases in a few years. It's only Paradox's newer titles that do that level of shameless pandering to the absolute laziest and most casual players, and EU4 certainly isn't one of them.

Newer games don't require Ironman? Which ones?

Victoria 3 and Crusader Kings 3 (they removed the requirement in W&W DLC patch EDIT: Or even earlier? Can't remember). Imperator Rome still needs ironman but if you use the beta patch achievements work with mods.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by JVC:

Originally posted by Sharpie The Protogen:

Yes because you totally can't get all achievements on the same day using third party software.

It would be a good thing if Paradox didn't make achievements into ironman and I look forward to that when EU5 releases. Ironman heavily restricts what you can use, this includes the colour of your nation, as I've said many times even cosmetic changes are forbidden.

This old system doesn't work just like how it tries to stop save scumming and hopelessly fails.

People aren't going to be modding the game just to give your country a new colour. Let's be real here. No modding is a rule easy to understand.

You're basically accepting that less creativity in a game is a good thing. Specifically, why do you care if somebody games their own specific achievements through modding? You can always do them vanilla if you want.

These are just achievements, you can easily mod the game to them harder, it works both ways.

[JVC]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Protogen:

Originally posted by JVC:

People aren't going to be modding the game just to give your country a new colour. Let's be real here. No modding is a rule easy to understand.

You're basically accepting that less creativity in a game is a good thing. Specifically, why do you care if somebody games their own specific achievements through modding? You can always do them vanilla if you want.

These are just achievements, you can easily mod the game to them harder, it works both ways.

Right. They want to mod it to make the achievements harder. Right.

[biodtox]

Originally posted by JVC:

Originally posted by Sharpie The Protogen:

You're basically accepting that less creativity in a game is a good thing. Specifically, why do you care if somebody games their own specific achievements through modding? You can always do them vanilla if you want.

These are just achievements, you can easily mod the game to them harder, it works both ways.

Right. They want to mod it to make the achievements harder. Right.

Not directly, but if you use mods that change a big portion of the game they can make them harder.
You assume that people mod the game to cheat which only a small portion of people will do. Overwhelming majority of people mod the game to make it better. It may make certain achievements easier, but it can make others harder.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by JVC:

Originally posted by Sharpie The Protogen:

You're basically accepting that less creativity in a game is a good thing. Specifically, why do you care if somebody games their own specific achievements through modding? You can always do them vanilla if you want.

These are just achievements, you can easily mod the game to them harder, it works both ways.

Right. They want to mod it to make the achievements harder. Right.

By that argument I could easily just use a third party software that has been around for more than a decade and Valve refuses to challenge it. What's the difference?

People that want to go for achievements have to do things a certain way. This damages the games experience. In L4D2, I can mod all I want and still get achievements, with the amount of mods there are to spice up the gameplay, this makes the experience so much better.

I don't know why we still have resentment for something like this. Each person has their own achievement list. It should be no concern of yours how they achieve that achievements. Just as it shouldn't be my concern for how you complete yours as well. You want to do it vanilla? By all means; Nobody is taking that away from you.

Paradox has moved in the right direction when it comes to this; And I can't wait for EU5 to finally put this to rest.