Burgundian Inheritance as Milan

[Hector]

Hello I've been trying to get the BI for two days as Milan can anybody give me tips to increase my chances or explain the factors that go into it with the current update

[Medicles]

1. You always have to send the proposal for Royal Marriage, never accept their proposal or you wont be eligible for the Inheritance.

2. I guess luck still plays a part, but usually i get the Inheritance.

[Hector]

I read something about that, I lost my marriage due to having a new ruler and at the time my diplo’s were busy so I accepted it 10 years later Austria got it :( I’ll make sure to be the one that sends it I don’t understand why it works that way but I’ll do it

[Dante_Deepdarkness]

Escrito originalmente por Hector:

I read something about that, I lost my marriage due to having a new ruler and at the time my diplo’s were busy so I accepted it 10 years later Austria got it :( I’ll make sure to be the one that sends it I don’t understand why it works that way but I’ll do it

The royal marriage is broken as soon as the ruler, that sends it, dies. So when the burgundian ruler dies the roala marriage is done, and then the succession event fires. It is how it works in the game and that is why you need to be the one sending the marriage to be elegible.

[Hector]

So basically your saying never ever accept royal marriages from your allies instead send them royal marriages so you actually have a chance at inheriting them in a PU since by accepting there’s your essentially forfeiting that outcome altogether?

[bri]

Escrito originalmente por Hector:

So basically your saying never ever accept royal marriages from your allies instead send them royal marriages so you actually have a chance at inheriting them in a PU since by accepting there’s your essentially forfeiting that outcome altogether?

No, the regular PU system works differently than the BI event does. In the normal system the outcome is determined before the ruler dies (more or less) as part of the background code while the BI is an event that acts differently as it goes through several steps sequentially with the first being killing the ruler and all that entails including breaking royal marriages before later checking for the most powerful nation with a royal marriage.

[Hector]

Okay thanks guy I also read that you want burgundy to have a strong opinion of you or have the strongest opinion of all the RM it has; as that also plays a factor on who gets it and I also saw someone say restart the game until Burgundy rivals Austria as your chances increase when that happens. Is anything I stated correct?

[bri]

Escrito originalmente por Hector:

Okay thanks guy I also read that you want burgundy to have a strong opinion of you or have the strongest opinion of all the RM it has; as that also plays a factor on who gets it and I also saw someone say restart the game until Burgundy rivals Austria as your chances increase when that happens. Is anything I stated correct?

Low relation with the emperor is correct (not necessarily Austria). You need to be the strongest nation with a RM to be selected but I don't know that your relation number has any impact.

[Hector]

I take it if your the ambrosian republic when it fires; you basically have a 0% chance of getting it? My luck I was going through the disaster while it kicked off about a year later Austria got it again :’( my luck lol…

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Yeah, the checks for the "strongest ally" option for the Burgundian Inheritance specifically seek out independent monarchies; if you're any kind of republic, even a special kind that still allows Royal Marriages, it looks to not be possible to inherit Burgundy.

[Marquoz]

The "strongest monarchical ally" approach to the BI is a way for the game to try to imitate what actually happened historically--but it doesn't work very well.

In reality, Burgundy went down the Imperial inheritance path. Most of it became part of the Austrian Hapsburg dominions, with some going to France. Later on, Charles V of Spain became the ruler of both Spain and Austria (in game terms, it was a personal union). When he died, the union ended and his lands were split. The Austrian Netherlands were transferred to Spain as part of this process.

EU4 initially made Spain one of the paths in their version of the BI to (vaguely) reflect this, but that path was later changed to the "strongest monarchical ally" we see currently. Sadly, the historical series of events (independent Kingdom of Burgundy to inheritance by Austria and France to personal union of Spain and Austria to transfer of the Low Countries to Spain) isn't possible. I wish it was.

[RCMidas]

The tendency of pretty much ANY nation not to Mingsplode upon death of a ruler (or more frequently, defeat in war) is what really kept most nations from blobbing into each other permanently. The amount of historical uprisings, rebellions, secessions, and suchlike that erupted (and yes, were often put down) due to that trigger did wonders for the modern geopolitical setting.

Let's consider our fan favourite most horribly overpowered AI cheat nation, the Ottomans. Within a decade or two of the game start, independence rebellions become a thing of the past, and religious rebels are confined to you trying to convert Shia or Ibadi provinces - historically, the Turks faced endless insurrections, no matter that the majority were less than successful.

If the game modelled this tendency, perhaps by forcing separatist rebellions in all applicable areas when your ruler dies or you white peace/lose a war at 0 or less Stability, we might see even player blobs struggling to hold themselves together. Would make things a little more interesting in the long-term.

[Hector]

I suppose that checks most of my questions; there is one I can think of does BI favor actual allies or just nations that it has royal marriages with let’s say they have a slightly weaker ally then yourself and maybe even a have stronger opinion would that put them ahead of you regarding getting the BI, what’s more important how much dev you have or opinion, or are they both factored in together

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Escrito originalmente por Marquoz:

EU4 initially made Spain one of the paths in their version of the BI to (vaguely) reflect this, but that path was later changed to the "strongest monarchical ally" we see currently. Sadly, the historical series of events (independent Kingdom of Burgundy to inheritance by Austria and France to personal union of Spain and Austria to transfer of the Low Countries to Spain) isn't possible. I wish it was.

Technically, it is possible - Castile/Spain has a variation of the "A Strategic Marriage" event, aptly called "A Very Strategic Marriage", by which any provinces owned by Austria in the Low Countries region and Picardie area get ceded to them. Not entirely historical, as it explicitly requires Castile/Spain to not be under a Personal Union, but it's there. It also requires Austria to be AI-controlled, but at least it doesn't require France to still be strong enough to rival both of you like the regular event does.

[red1]

As a long time player, this was a helpful thread. I wanted a game where as France I would get the BI. I almost didn't happen, as Burgundy rivaled me after accepting my marriage proposal, but got lucky when I was so far ahead that I lost all rivals and the next month the BI happened. Sometimes being lucky is better than being good.

[Hector]

Update I finally got it so many restarts so many days lost but I did it; now hopefully I inherit Burgundy as I read In other threads it fires while your at peace within 15 years of acquiring the PU thanks everybody who contributed to the thread