Ming Domination "Form the Depots" mission

[Rialm]

Any idea what should I do with the Eunuchs to accomplish this mission? I just want to destroy the Eunuchs, how I'm suppose to do it if I need 60 loyalty just to accomplish this mission?
Any advise?

In the wiki it says:
"If:
Limited to:
Eunuchs Eunuchs estate exists
Eunuchs Eunuchs has at least 60 loyalty"

Can I even make them disappear or I'm forced to give them privileges just to do this mission?
Thanks!

edit: I was playing with Ming, this way it won't be an issue if someone is looking for the same question.

[RCMidas]

Lose the Mandate of Heaven (if you want to avoid war, become Revolutionary) or give them privileges, yes. Those are your options.

[grotaclas]

The only way which I see to remove the eunuchs would be to lose the mandate of heaven. But then you would lose this mission as well. The if-condition is probably just careful coding in case a future version or a mod introduces another way to get rid of the estate

[Rialm]

... Damn it's really annoying that I'm forced to be their puppets just to accomplish a mission that later on gives me something really necessary...
I would have to ***** their ♥♥♥♥♥ and then lowering down their influence again...

[RCMidas]

Did some quick testing. Going Revolutionary does not seem to get rid of the missions if you have them, even if you CHOOSE to go Revolutionary when the disaster strikes.

EDIT: Well, short of playing a full game without a single console command just in case, that's how it looks.

[Rialm]

I find a way to do it with government reforms, some privileges that won't affect me etc. Really cool

[RCMidas]

Don't worry, they'll find PLENTY of ways to annoy you as time goes on. The eunuchs were, after all, the single most destructive force the dynasties of China ever experienced.

[Rialm]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Don't worry, they'll find PLENTY of ways to annoy you as time goes on. The eunuchs were, after all, the single most destructive force the dynasties of China ever experienced.

it's mostly that it's bothers me that you get the debuffs despite them having 0% lands or almost null influence.
But it's quite fun playing as Ming (by the way I just realize that I wrote Quing...) you need to pay a lot to the country it's way more fun developing in this case than the usuales games. It likes it means something.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Rialm:

it's mostly that it's bothers me that you get the debuffs despite them having 0% lands or almost null influence.

Which debuffs? The liberty desire in subjects, corruption and unrest? You only get those if they have below 30% loyalty which you could fix by giving them privileges to increase their loyalty or by getting other loyalty modifiers(e.g. from mandate, prestige, monuments). And the effect is lowered with lower influence, so that you only get 1/4 of the modifier values if the estate influence is below 20.

[Rialm]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by Rialm:

it's mostly that it's bothers me that you get the debuffs despite them having 0% lands or almost null influence.

Which debuffs? The liberty desire in subjects, corruption and unrest? You only get those if they have below 30% loyalty which you could fix by giving them privileges to increase their loyalty or by getting other loyalty modifiers(e.g. from mandate, prestige, monuments).

The thing it's that I wanted to destroy them as fast as possible so they don't have lands. I gave the other two factions withs lands right so I can't take their lands, so I only could take eunuchs lands, This way I make the progress faster, despite getting those fixed debuffs.

Now everyone is happy with over 60% of loyalty.

[grotaclas]

But why do you want to destroy them in the first place?

[Rialm]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

But why do you want to destroy them in the first place?

They are corrupt!

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Rialm:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

But why do you want to destroy them in the first place?

They are corrupt!

Is this some kind of roleplay? The eunuchs reduce corruption if they are loyal

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Don't worry, they'll find PLENTY of ways to annoy you as time goes on. The eunuchs were, after all, the single most destructive force the dynasties of China ever experienced.

Are they even annoying? I never play Ming, but played Qing in Domination a while ago and gave them a bunch of priviledges since they seemed like a decent estate.

The only annoying part of China i have noticed is the constant flooding of the Yellow river...

[Rialm]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Is this some kind of roleplay? The eunuchs reduce corruption if they are loyal

Yes, not a extreme role playing, but since the first I found it's this group of people, corrupts my goal was from the start to have 100% lands or at least don't deal with them until I feel comfortable. Also I did not know that Form the Depots did that.

Originally posted by Mr.M:

Are they even annoying? I never play Ming, but played Qing in Domination a while ago and gave them a bunch of priviledges since they seemed like a decent estate.

I don't know about Qing, but the debuffs you get from making the Eunuchs angry is really annoying. specially taking into account that you have to manage the river flood etc

edit I want to add, that I don't like that you get debuffs even if they don't have lands and your mandates is bellow 50. ♥♥♥♥ the eunuchs.

[Mr.M]

I just checked, in my game as Qing the "Examination System" government reform (tier 3) was bugged and i couldnt pick it - so i finished the "Examination system" mission with "Expanded royal Court" - this gives eunuchs a priviledge for extra mandate growth and corruption reduction.