If I form Spain as Portugal do I get access to all the missions?

[Octopuses]

I see on Wikipedia that if you are Aragon you can't get forever golden and tercios achievements. Can I get those if I formed Spain as Portugal?

[grotaclas]

Yes. Forming Spain as a country which never was Aragon, gives you the Spanish missions from the Domination DLC. And they are needed for both the forever golden and no country for old tercios achievements. But due to a bug, the forever golden achievement will be hidden until you complete it.

[Octopuses]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Yes. Forming Spain as a country which never was Aragon, gives you the Spanish missions from the Domination DLC. And they are needed for both the forever golden and no country for old tercios achievements. But due to a bug, the forever golden achievement will be hidden until you complete it.

Niceee, I guess I will combine these with all blue.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Octopuses:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Yes. Forming Spain as a country which never was Aragon, gives you the Spanish missions from the Domination DLC. And they are needed for both the forever golden and no country for old tercios achievements. But due to a bug, the forever golden achievement will be hidden until you complete it.

Niceee, I guess I will combine these with all blue.

Just make sure that you get all blue before you form Spain

[RCMidas]

Works quite well honestly, just finished up that campaign earlier. *checks time* Yesterday. The annoying thing was waiting to recruit all 60 of the necessary tercios (Iberian-culture provinces only) to get the chance to reform them. I was lucky enough to skip the troublesome part of conquering Europe by becoming HREmperor early and using the vassal swarm.

And as I suspected, going Oirat-Russia for the twin Imperial Crowns was stupidly easy. Currently forming Russia as the Chinese Emperor also removes the government reform (and doesn't give you Tsardom), if you no longer want it. You can choose it back after if you want though. Also, crownland went all over the place that run, despite focusing on minimising estate influence. I think it's related to the eunuchs, but cannot quite tell what was going on.

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Works quite well honestly, just finished up that campaign earlier. *checks time* Yesterday. The annoying thing was waiting to recruit all 60 of the necessary tercios (Iberian-culture provinces only) to get the chance to reform them. I was lucky enough to skip the troublesome part of conquering Europe by becoming HREmperor early and using the vassal swarm.

I'm finishing up an All Blue run myself right now and thought about that approach. I dismantled instead, though. I suppose you annexed HRE vassals from the swarm that aren't blue when you finished your European conquest?

[Octopuses]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Works quite well honestly, just finished up that campaign earlier. *checks time* Yesterday. The annoying thing was waiting to recruit all 60 of the necessary tercios (Iberian-culture provinces only) to get the chance to reform them. I was lucky enough to skip the troublesome part of conquering Europe by becoming HREmperor early and using the vassal swarm.

And as I suspected, going Oirat-Russia for the twin Imperial Crowns was stupidly easy. Currently forming Russia as the Chinese Emperor also removes the government reform (and doesn't give you Tsardom), if you no longer want it. You can choose it back after if you want though. Also, crownland went all over the place that run, despite focusing on minimising estate influence. I think it's related to the eunuchs, but cannot quite tell what was going on.

With Oirat Russia Chinese Emperor, do you just conquer all the orthodox provinces and then spawn rebels to become the HRE emperor?

[RCMidas]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

I'm finishing up an All Blue run myself right now and thought about that approach. I dismantled instead, though. I suppose you annexed HRE vassals from the swarm that aren't blue when you finished your European conquest?

Yeah. Took some time that did, but I focused on manipulating certain countries' success from the get-go. The most useful* were Bavaria, Sweden (who ate most of Scandinavia and Russia before I got the chance to Claim Throne - I was expecting several bloody wars for that so I was super super lucky) and a surprise Sardinia-Piedmont that left the Empire one reform early, but I was able to force back in after and feed the rest of Italy to.

I messed up in the British Isles for about thirty years because I'd thought a unified Ireland was the right kind of blue. I was thinking of its flag. The country itself is a damp green-grey. And a united Ireland should really be a vibrant emerald green if I'm honest - the island is called the Emerald Isle. So that was a colossal waste of time and resources.

Live and learn, and if I ever do it again (though why would I?) maybe I can succeed before the Zulu revolt next time. That was, I must admit, quite an embarrassing run. Nearly didn't pull it off.

*A couple of substandard idea groups were the order of the day to help manage high Liberty Desire from big subjects too. I still went full colonial with Expansion and Exploration, but also took Court and Naval for LD reduction policies, and Religious to maintain Papal Influence supremacy from constant Totemist conversions.

Originally posted by Octopuses:

With Oirat Russia Chinese Emperor, do you just conquer all the orthodox provinces and then spawn rebels to become the HRE emperor?

Actually I spawned Catholic rebels, since the Emperor of China has a number of events related to that and I can start doing that way before I get Orthodox provinces - and I can't be easily elected HREmperor if I'm Orthodox.

[Pozz]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by Octopuses:

Niceee, I guess I will combine these with all blue.

Just make sure that you get all blue before you form Spain

Off, is that really needed? I was hoping the owned by you or any blue nation" bit meant you could form Spain ;p

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Pozz:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Just make sure that you get all blue before you form Spain

Off, is that really needed? I was hoping the owned by you or any blue nation" bit meant you could form Spain ;p

The achievement requires that you are Portugal. So you can't even form other blue countries. You can find more details in the wiki: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Achievements#All_Blue

[Pozz]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by Pozz:

Off, is that really needed? I was hoping the owned by you or any blue nation" bit meant you could form Spain ;p

The achievement requires that you are Portugal. So you can't even form other blue countries. You can find more details in the wiki: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Achievements#All_Blue

Hadn't looked into it yet as I got other stuff to finish first. It does surprise me nations like Sardinia-Piedmont counts as they dont exist in 1444 ^^

[RCMidas]

Originally posted by Pozz:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

The achievement requires that you are Portugal. So you can't even form other blue countries. You can find more details in the wiki: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Achievements#All_Blue

Hadn't looked into it yet as I got other stuff to finish first. It does surprise me nations like Sardinia-Piedmont counts as they dont exist in 1444 ^^

They are blue, however. Therefore, permissible. The achievement's description is clearly off with the "must exist in 1444" requirement.

[Octopuses]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

They are blue, however. Therefore, permissible. The achievement's description is clearly off with the "must exist in 1444" requirement.

They probably meant something like must exist in Europe.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Originally posted by Pozz:

Hadn't looked into it yet as I got other stuff to finish first. It does surprise me nations like Sardinia-Piedmont counts as they dont exist in 1444 ^^

They are blue, however. Therefore, permissible. The achievement's description is clearly off with the "must exist in 1444" requirement.

But most of the blue european countries which don't exist in 1444 are not in the list. For example Nitra, Romania, Dalmatia, Krakow, Kiev, Danzig, Gaeldom, Meath, Asturias, or Scandinavia(There is a country list with colors on my wiki-sandbox[eu4.paradoxwikis.com]). The only non-1444 countries which I can find in the list are Bavaria, Prussia and Sardinia-Piedmont. Maybe they are in the list because they are common formables. Without Bavaria, it could be a little frustrating if one of the blue bavarian minors forms it near the end of the campaign. But Sweden forming Scandinavia would be worse and Scandinavia is not in the list.

[RCMidas]

I didn't catch those, interesting. I dislike that kind of inconsistency.

[Marquoz]

Same here. I mean, it's nice that Bavaria counts (because I made great use of them in my run), but which nations are eligible should be determined on the basis of a logical and transparent principle.