French Royal Duchies Bugged

[Slim Reaper]

After you complete the French mission that removes the Royal Duchies from the estates, it no longer shows up in the nobility estate privileges. Meaning once you turn it in, you can never get it back again.. Don't think it used to be this way..

[marco]

Yeah I asked about that in the forums but got no answer. I believe it's a bug, because you get neither French Duchies nor Strong Duchies. But I've not read anything about a fix.

[balgium]

you can get it back! after you complete the mission, just release a new one in french like Alençon. then, it came back in the nobility estate privileges (as long as you keep Alençon)

[RCMidas]

Which French mission is this?

[cunningham99]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Which French mission is this?

Not a mission, it's a Nobility estate privilege. By default it is Already On at the start of the game.

[RCMidas]

I'm aware of that, but the OP said they completed a mission to remove the privilege from the estates, which is what baffled me. You're supposed to be able to assign it again once you have two vassals or marches (Junior Partners don't count). Worked for me just fine.

[Slim Reaper]

I can't recall the name, and have since uninstalled and removed EU4 from my library due to the late game stuttering issues and being unable to finish games.

Unfortunate asf. I loved that game.

[Dante_Deepdarkness]

I asked for it a while ago too.
Simply the regular 'Strong Duchies' doesn't exist for France, meaning that once you get rid of the special one they have (through the mission tree, yes), you are left without any privilege that allows more diplomatic slots, so...
a) You eat the penalty for going over diplomatic slots, to have more vassals than you "can"
b) You play using less vassals so you don't go over the -soft limited- cap.

There is another option: Never use France again. They are too strong to be fun, so probably the best idea XD

EDIT: Or you can try what balgium said, I don't know if it is possible, I decided to eat the penalty for being 1-2 over the limit most of the time.

[RCMidas]

Alright, so after a couple of hours of experimentation I've finally managed to replicate the issue.

French Strong Duchies only appears if you have a vassal with its capital in the France region. It is not enough for your vassal to OWN a province in France, its capital must be in the France region itself.

You can assign the privilege if all the rest of your vassals are entirely outside of France, but you must have at least one vassal with its capital in the France region.

Not a single mission needs to be completed for this to be the case.

So, who wants to deliver the news to the developers on the official forums? Ideally someone with an account there, unlike myself.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Not a single mission needs to be completed for this to be the case.

It is the other way around. The mission Movement of Centralization[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] requires that France does not have the French strong duchies privilege and that they have no subject with a capital in the France region. And if you fulfill that mission, you can't get the privilege back unless you get a new subject with a capital in France.

Originally posted by RCMidas:

So, who wants to deliver the news to the developers on the official forums? Ideally someone with an account there, unlike myself.

AFAIK this is a known issue which might get fixed in the next patch.

[salatrin]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Not a single mission needs to be completed for this to be the case.

It is the other way around. The mission Movement of Centralization[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] requires that France does not have the French strong duchies privilege and that they have no subject with a capital in the France region. And if you fulfill that mission, you can't get the privilege back unless you get a new subject with a capital in France.

Originally posted by RCMidas:

So, who wants to deliver the news to the developers on the official forums? Ideally someone with an account there, unlike myself.

AFAIK this is a known issue which might get fixed in the next patch.

From their last dev diary about their upcoming fix patch, they mentioned one of the fixes they were looking to do was making strong duchies available for France after u lose the french version, this is a quote from that DD...

"Also, we are preparing for other less prominent issues, which are nevertheless important to us. Some examples would be:

France has access to Strong Duchies after integrating all their Appanages"

Personally i already did that on my own version of the game, so when i lose the french version i instantly get access to the regular version (i also fixed the expand empire cb for HRE emperor in my game as PDX added a part to the CB that looks to be completely unnecessary and removing it makes the cb work properly again, hope they fix that in next patch too)

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by salatrin:

i also fixed the expand empire cb for HRE emperor in my game as PDX added a part to the CB that looks to be completely unnecessary and removing it makes the cb work properly again, hope they fix that in next patch too

Do you mean the following part?

		can_use_peace_treaty = {
			who = FROM
			treaty = po_join_empire
		}

This has been in the CB since version 1.30.2 and it has worked properly before 1.35. If you remove it, you will get a buggy CB which is available against many countries which can't be added to the HRE(e.g. because their capital can't be connected to the HRE or because they would be above 100% warscore). So you exchange one bug for another bug with this "fix".

[RCMidas]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Not a single mission needs to be completed for this to be the case.

It is the other way around. The mission Movement of Centralization[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] requires that France does not have the French strong duchies privilege and that they have no subject with a capital in the France region. And if you fulfill that mission, you can't get the privilege back unless you get a new subject with a capital in France.

I'd agree if I hadn't checked that option myself. Start a new non-Ironman game as France, integrate your five vassals, let the day tick over to Nov12 so that the privilege is removed by itself, and then choose to vassalise as many non-French-capital nation as you like (such as Flanders and Holland). The privilege does not appear. Vassalise Brittany or Provence, however, and it shows up immediately.

Integrate them, let the day tick over, same thing. Have no vassals at all but release someone like Berry, it shows up in the Nobility list even if you can't select it without a second vassal.

Not a single mission needs to be completed for this to be the case. Complete all those missions, release a French capital vassal whilst in the French Absolutist Monarchy government, and the privilege shows up again.

Whether you complete missions or not, you cannot get the privilege back unless you have a French capital vassal.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

It is the other way around. The mission Movement of Centralization[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] requires that France does not have the French strong duchies privilege and that they have no subject with a capital in the France region. And if you fulfill that mission, you can't get the privilege back unless you get a new subject with a capital in France.

I'd agree if I hadn't checked that option myself. Start a new non-Ironman game as France, integrate your five vassals, let the day tick over to Nov12 so that the privilege is removed by itself, and then choose to vassalise as many non-French-capital nation as you like (such as Flanders and Holland). The privilege does not appear. Vassalise Brittany or Provence, however, and it shows up immediately.

Integrate them, let the day tick over, same thing. Have no vassals at all but release someone like Berry, it shows up in the Nobility list even if you can't select it without a second vassal.

Not a single mission needs to be completed for this to be the case. Complete all those missions, release a French capital vassal whilst in the French Absolutist Monarchy government, and the privilege shows up again.

Whether you complete missions or not, you cannot get the privilege back unless you have a French capital vassal.

I think we are misunderstanding each other. I agree with you that integrating the subjects with a capital in the France region removes the privilege. No testing is necessary for that, because the requirement is in the code of the privilege. What I'm trying to say is that the other people mentioned the mission, because the mission requires the integration of the subjects. So it is not the mission which removes the privilege, but it is the other way around in the sense that the you need to remove the subjects to complete the mission. And when you do that, you can't give out the privilege again unless you create a new subject in France.

[RCMidas]

I think I'm understanding, but the effect - regardless of whether you are doing so to complete the mission or not - is the same. So...I don't think I'm currently sober enough to debate that we're after the same kind of resolution. The devs mentioned that this was on the cards for a repair job, so ultimately I think I might just be bizznitching about the pedantics.

Which is what I was always taught to do when it came to code, legal documents, and talks with your wife (because why should they get to bring up random crap from seven months ago in random arguments that was supposedly resolved at the time and we cannot?!).