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PB0_Corse66 Apr 20, 2023 @ 5:32am
The Surrender of Maine event (post dominion DLC)
mmm it's a bit weird that AS FRANCE.. I can choose the answer myself..

Basically as France, I can choose England to declare war on me..
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aqvamare Apr 20, 2023 @ 5:37am 
Why, did the france all time in history.

If they win the war, englads was the aggressor.

If they lost, France was the aggressor.

French are master of this diplomatic art of blaming.
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Exarch_Alpha Apr 20, 2023 @ 5:37am 
That is on purpose to define who will be the attacker and the defender.

France will be the defender and England the attacker. So allies fro france, none for England.

Not that it matters much - you can totally spank England and Portugal in 1444 already.
Last edited by Exarch_Alpha; Apr 20, 2023 @ 5:38am
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PB0_Corse66 Apr 20, 2023 @ 5:40am 
I get that point, but my issue is that as France I can choose to have england declare a war on me, with everyone supporting me and no one on their side..

But if I look at the wiki for that event I have :

The country:

is Flag of England England.
is not a subject.
is not allied with Flag of France France.
is not at war with Flag of France France.
does not have a truce with Flag of France France.
Maine (177):

is owned by Flag of England England or one of its subjects.
Flag of France France:

exists.
is not a subject.
It is before 1450.


My understanding is that the event should trigger if I am England no?
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grotaclas Apr 20, 2023 @ 5:52am 
Originally posted by PB0_Corse66:
My understanding is that the event should trigger if I am England no?
That's not the event which you get. First England gets their event in which they have the choice to surrender Maine(called "The Surrender of Maine (start)" in the wiki). If they don't surrender it, they basically decided that they want to declare war on France. Then France gets the chance to back down to avoid the war (via the event which the wiki calls "The Surrender of Maine (refusal)"). If France doesn't back down, the war happens. That's why the French event contains the war declaration effect
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PB0_Corse66 Apr 20, 2023 @ 6:06am 
Ok :) thanks for the clarification you are totally right :) :)

Thanks for your insight
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Radene Apr 20, 2023 @ 7:23am 
Originally posted by aqvamare:
Why, did the france all time in history.

If they win the war, englads was the aggressor.

If they lost, France was the aggressor.

French are master of this diplomatic art of blaming.

Well, really, anyone who wins a war ends up blaming the losing side for being the aggressor, and then writes history that way.

But, it's like grotaclas explained two posts up; France only decides the response if England decides to pursue the claim on Maine.
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