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Liechtenstein, San Marino, Andorra need to be added
Given their unique history how they got created/ how they kept existing etc i think they would be nice to have in Eu4. Andorra would be an Event Chain that resembles the real formation and reasons why Andorra got to exist. Etc
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RCMidas 2023 年 7 月 12 日 上午 5:40 
Isn't Andorra roughly located in the 'wasteland' mountain dividing France and Spain?

San Marino, as I recall, was already enclaved within Urbino and would be the smallest province in the game.

Only rivalled by Liechtenstein, which itself is probably located in the 'wasteland' Alps between Switzerland and Austria.

So...yeah. In a mod, perhaps, but not in the game as it has been built towards now.
bri 2023 年 7 月 12 日 上午 10:10 
Not to mention the whole "they'd last about 10 seconds" just like any other non-HRE OPM...
Marquoz 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 2:22 
Right. Why slow the game down with yet more provinces and tags that exist about as long as snow in a supernova?
Radene 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 4:43 
Hey, only if they at some point add all 26 of the Swiss cantons. (which will then just be gobbled up by the neighbors, anyway....)
Mechenyi 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 5:18 
Andorra would just be a harder to click on Navarra, Liechtenstein and San Marino are already represented by other OPMs in the respective areas. Personally I think tags should only be added if they mix up the region, and PDX's recent obsession of adding dozens of tags that could be represented by one kind of ruin the game, not to mention the performance.

What's weird is that something that would actually mix up the gameplay, the Genoese and Venetian colonies in Anatolia and Crimea for example, have never been added and are barely represented at all in-game. Especially for Genoa, who without their austrian alliance is a complete pushover.
romy 2023 年 7 月 13 日 上午 3:20 
Why can nobody read the OP ?

You are all saying "we don't need new provinces" when OP never talked about adding province, they talked about a chain of events.
RCMidas 2023 年 7 月 13 日 上午 4:26 
We did read the OP. We just know what would be entailed. But I'll humour you. Which three existing provinces will be replaced by the new tags? Let's start with the easiest.

San Marino is located inside what, at the game start, is Urbino. Except Urbino was its own duchy under the Papal States and was formally annexed in the 1600s, whereas San Marino did sod all except get occupied by Cesare Borgia for six months, and then claim formal protection from the Papal States which lasted until they transferred that claim to Napoleon, who left them alone.

As a new province, it would have to be landlocked between Urbino and Ravenna, probably taking up part of each of those provinces. At best, you introduce an event for the owner of Urbino before 1480 that reflects the growth of the microstate to its current borders.

What about Andorra? Physically, it is roughly that northerly stub into the Pyrenees of Urgell. That could be made a province, actually. Historically, the area was semi-jointly administered by the count of Foix (which meant that as France proper grew to dominate, that responsibility passed to the central crown) and the bishop of Urgell. Yeah, bishop.

There was a fun little moment when a king of Navarra become king of France. He passed an edict in 1607 formalising the head of the French state and the bishop of Urgell as the two co-princes of Andorra. This is still the case today. Even Napoleon reestablished it as a portion of French-ruled Catalonia later on. Maybe a couple of events could be thrown their way, but most of their territory technically does lie within the 'wasteland' between France and Spain.

And now the last. I'm really going to go to town on this one. Buckle the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up boyos, we're going for a ride.

Liechtenstein is located SSE of St.Gallens and N of Chur. In the game, Chur is to the east of St.Gallens, S of Bregenz, as opposed to S of St.Gallens. Reasonably, the province of Illanz should become (new!) Chur, old Chur should become part of Bregenz and (new!) Chur if not just renamed (maybe, and Liechtenstein should appear only in the Age of Revolutions (1719 or later specifically) to replace (new!) Chur.

Except that vastly overstates its importance and influence and even interestingness, unlike the similarly late-game Zulu Rebellion, the escaped East African slaves claiming the Murud-Janjiro fort in India, the Kalmyk migration into Pontic Steppe (they are still there btw). The creation of Liechtenstein would be the deliberate creation of a new HRE OPM that is only notable for being tiny.

Further, Liechtenstein is 160 square kilometres (62 square miles) - the tiny island of Djerba off the Tunisian coast, already one of the smallest provinces in the game, is more than three times bigger at 514 square kilometres (160 square miles). You work out the issue if we were to just add a new province for them specifically, or if we were to try and "for the purposes of gameplay" allow their province to be so much bigger.

It's a gorram pain is what it is.

Use of an event to create any of these nations would entail a lot of unnecessary and unhistorical manipulation of regions. There's already enough of the latter going about in some places. Use of an event to reference some of them? Sure, why not?
Brick Slayer 2023 年 7 月 13 日 上午 6:15 
引用自 RCMidas
We did read the OP. We just know what would be entailed. But I'll humour you. Which three existing provinces will be replaced by the new tags? Let's start with the easiest.

San Marino is located inside what, at the game start, is Urbino. Except Urbino was its own duchy under the Papal States and was formally annexed in the 1600s, whereas San Marino did sod all except get occupied by Cesare Borgia for six months, and then claim formal protection from the Papal States which lasted until they transferred that claim to Napoleon, who left them alone.

As a new province, it would have to be landlocked between Urbino and Ravenna, probably taking up part of each of those provinces. At best, you introduce an event for the owner of Urbino before 1480 that reflects the growth of the microstate to its current borders.

What about Andorra? Physically, it is roughly that northerly stub into the Pyrenees of Urgell. That could be made a province, actually. Historically, the area was semi-jointly administered by the count of Foix (which meant that as France proper grew to dominate, that responsibility passed to the central crown) and the bishop of Urgell. Yeah, bishop.

There was a fun little moment when a king of Navarra become king of France. He passed an edict in 1607 formalising the head of the French state and the bishop of Urgell as the two co-princes of Andorra. This is still the case today. Even Napoleon reestablished it as a portion of French-ruled Catalonia later on. Maybe a couple of events could be thrown their way, but most of their territory technically does lie within the 'wasteland' between France and Spain.

And now the last. I'm really going to go to town on this one. Buckle the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up boyos, we're going for a ride.

Liechtenstein is located SSE of St.Gallens and N of Chur. In the game, Chur is to the east of St.Gallens, S of Bregenz, as opposed to S of St.Gallens. Reasonably, the province of Illanz should become (new!) Chur, old Chur should become part of Bregenz and (new!) Chur if not just renamed (maybe, and Liechtenstein should appear only in the Age of Revolutions (1719 or later specifically) to replace (new!) Chur.

Except that vastly overstates its importance and influence and even interestingness, unlike the similarly late-game Zulu Rebellion, the escaped East African slaves claiming the Murud-Janjiro fort in India, the Kalmyk migration into Pontic Steppe (they are still there btw). The creation of Liechtenstein would be the deliberate creation of a new HRE OPM that is only notable for being tiny.

Further, Liechtenstein is 160 square kilometres (62 square miles) - the tiny island of Djerba off the Tunisian coast, already one of the smallest provinces in the game, is more than three times bigger at 514 square kilometres (160 square miles). You work out the issue if we were to just add a new province for them specifically, or if we were to try and "for the purposes of gameplay" allow their province to be so much bigger.

It's a gorram pain is what it is.

Use of an event to create any of these nations would entail a lot of unnecessary and unhistorical manipulation of regions. There's already enough of the latter going about in some places. Use of an event to reference some of them? Sure, why not?

Can't say I understand the point in all of this. You are only alive for so long, so why not use your time more "efficiently", for lack of a better word? There is no use in wasting your time like this.
Marquoz 2023 年 7 月 13 日 上午 8:05 
Games, and talking about them, are always a "waste" of time from one perspective. When you're playing them, you aren't working at your job or doing life maintenance or whatever. You're having fun.

But from that perspective, games and talking about them aren't a waste at all. Midas isn't wasting his time. He's enjoying himself.
Sharpie The Dragon 2023 年 7 月 13 日 下午 1:08 
引用自 Marquoz
Right. Why slow the game down with yet more provinces and tags that exist about as long as snow in a supernova?

So people can be like huuuuuuuuuur I one tagged da game as san marino
fingerneun 2023 年 7 月 13 日 下午 1:35 
if you want a smaller province size check voltaires nightmare mod.
ChaffyExpert 2023 年 7 月 13 日 下午 4:00 
No, EU4 doesn't need more provinces and tiny countries with tiny provinces hard to click on that will do nothing but lag the game slightly more.

Also, unless in Europe, i bet 90% of people (and that's being generous) don't even know those are actual countries.
最后由 ChaffyExpert 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 13 日 下午 4:05
Lord Kraken 2023 年 7 月 13 日 下午 4:58 
引用自 Emperor Palpatinate
No, EU4 doesn't need more provinces and tiny countries with tiny provinces hard to click on that will do nothing but lag the game slightly more.

Also, unless in Europe, i bet 90% of people (and that's being generous) don't even know those are actual countries.

Stamp collectors know these are real countries. ( : From the beginning, I suspected the OP was a collector. There are all sorts of obsessions in this world of ours. EU4 is only one of those possible obsessions and, sometimes, it's possible to combine them.
romy 2023 年 7 月 14 日 上午 1:16 
引用自 RCMidas
We did read the OP. We just know what would be entailed. But I'll humour you. Which three existing provinces will be replaced by the new tags? Let's start with the easiest.

You failed to read again lmao, this is not about new provinces or tags, this is about a chain of events. I stopped reading there, i won't read an offtopic wall of text detailing the uselessness of adding new provinces and tags that everybody obviously agrees with and nobody asked for.
最后由 romy 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 14 日 上午 1:24
JVC 2023 年 7 月 14 日 上午 2:46 
The game doesn't need those.

San Marino - it has existed for centuries and accomplished nothing except staying alive, congrats.

Liechtenstein is completely hopeless, it was a tiny piece of clay that had a ruler with enough cash to buy himself a fancy title, all the holdings that were important were elsewhere. Big deal. Mission tree: accumulate X gold -> buy title.
最后由 JVC 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 14 日 上午 10:53
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