Forcing me to update again

[Ned Smelly]

I'm in the middle of a game, of course I don't want to update. This force update thing is the least user-friendly thing in the world.
Who came up with this?

[Raider Deci]

Choose a patch under the beta-tab and it wont update. I am personally still at pre-leviathan

[Ned Smelly]

Oh, I just discovered I don't need a code. I couldn't figure out where to get the code from. Just wasted 5 minutes trying to follow instructions that apparently don't even apply.
Why don't they design this so it's easy to navigate?

[Nats]

Yes they are bloody idiots. Ten years and they are still releasing patches that are risking breaking game saves. It's beyond belief. I don't know what they think they are doing but it's a crap way of working. I have had it with Paradox.

[grotaclas]

Today's patch just fixed the Carolean special units. It should be fully save game compatible. You can just click through the warning when you load your save. But I would recommend to always create additional backups of your saves(even if there is no update), so that you have something to which you can return in case your save gets broken.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Ned Smelly:

Oh, I just discovered I don't need a code. I couldn't figure out where to get the code from. Just wasted 5 minutes trying to follow instructions that apparently don't even apply.
Why don't they design this so it's easy to navigate?

The code is only necessary if you want to return to older versions before they added their new privacy policy to the launcher. To get the code, you have to accept the policy. But they can't show you the policy in the old version, because it didn't exist when that version was released and if they add it to the old version, it would not be the same version anymore.

If paradox would let you play eu4 without accepting the privacy policy, they would violate eu4 privacy regulations which require that they ask you before collecting data about you(e.g. which country is played in eu4). But these regulations were introduced after the old versions came out, so paradox could not have known that a new privacy policy would be needed and could not have included it in that version.

[Unof1]

Paradox did it, blame them , it's all Paradox's fault, no one else.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Unof1:

Paradox did it, blame them , it's all Paradox's fault, no one else.

What is paradox fault? That steam forces players to update before starting a game?

[Unof1]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by Unof1:

Paradox did it, blame them , it's all Paradox's fault, no one else.

What is paradox fault? That steam forces players to update before starting a game?

Yes.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Unof1:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

What is paradox fault? That steam forces players to update before starting a game?

Yes.

And why is that paradox's fault? Did they somehow force steam to implement this?

[Unof1]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by Unof1:

Yes.

And why is that paradox's fault? Did they somehow force steam to implement this?

Steam don't just implement features without developers/publishers/customers asking for them, and this particular feature benefits the developer and publisher far more in comparison to the customer.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Unof1:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

And why is that paradox's fault? Did they somehow force steam to implement this?

Steam don't just implement features without developers/publishers/customers asking for them, and this particular feature benefits the developer and publisher far more in comparison to the customer.

This still doesn't explain why this is paradox's fault. Do you have any evidence that paradox was involved in this feature in any way? Paradox even works around this feature by making previous versions available via the beta tab. This removes any advantage that they could have from the forced update.

[Lord Kraken]

Over 6,500 hours in EU4 and I've been playing the EU series since shortly after EU1's debut. For the past two years I have only played on a Beta and that's for two big reasons: 1. No save breaking updates/patches; 2: It gives Paradox a chance to work out most of the bugs in the more recent Named updates. Currently playing happily on 1.33.3

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by Unof1:

Originally posted by grotaclas:

And why is that paradox's fault? Did they somehow force steam to implement this?

Steam don't just implement features without developers/publishers/customers asking for them, and this particular feature benefits the developer and publisher far more in comparison to the customer.

Forced updates as soon as they're available is a universal feature across all Steam games. It's like that for every game on Steam, and has been for many years. The only way around that, besides playing on a beta version of a game that has one, is to just never take Steam out of "offline mode". Developers are forced to deal with the decisions Valve makes for their platform, not the other way around.

[Nats]

It is absolutely Paradox's fault for releasing so many updates over years and years after a games release, many of which break game saves which can ruin games for players, which can have been underway for weeks even months. Steam just implements the patch files that Paradox send.

Why cant Paradox just work on stuff that isnt going to break the game saves? They should have sorted important issues like that a month or two after the release not ten years later. I wouldnt mind if they were patches released to new DLC, so then it is your choice whether you want to involve yourself in a new round of patches, but they aren't.

To make matter worse a lot of these 'patches' change the way the original game plays. That's not right. If you buy a product and then it changes radically you should be entitled to get your money back. Whether they think they are improving the game, or some players ask for the changes is irrelevant. It is still altering a product that has been provided to the buyer in an agreed contract. And they are changing the contract without agreement. That's actually illegal. I bought Stellaris years ago and the game I have now is completely different without any DLC being added. Thats definitely not right.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Nats:

Why cant Paradox just work on stuff that isnt going to break the game saves?

Then they could not deliver all the new features which they are adding with each major patch. Many players like these features and support the continued development of the game by buying the DLCs. And the DLC sales allow paradox to continue developing the game.

Originally posted by Nats:

They should have sorted important issues like that a month or two after the release not ten years later.

They didn't wait 10 years to fix this issue. It was introduced in patch 1.35.4, which was released on Jun 20th, so it took only 7 days to fix it.

Originally posted by Nats:

To make matter worse a lot of these 'patches' change the way the original game plays. That's not right. If you buy a product and then it changes radically you should be entitled to get your money back. Whether they think they are improving the game, or some players ask for the changes is irrelevant. It is still altering a product that has been provided to the buyer in an agreed contract. And they are changing the contract without agreement. That's actually illegal. I bought Stellaris years ago and the game I have now is completely different without any DLC being added. Thats definitely not right.

Where does the contract with steam and paradox say that you are entitled to keep playing the original version of the game? Independently of that, paradox provides you a way of playing many of the previous versions of the game via the beta tab in steam. One of the available versions should be very close to the version which you originally bought.