How to get Mamluk government as Mamluks?

[annersch]

Going for the Prince of Egypt achievement. Have released Mamluks and I'm now playing as them. I can't form Egypt because I lack Mamluk government, but looking at the requirements it doesn't look like there is any way to get that as Mamluks. I'm totally confused... (I'm still playing at 1.23 if that matters)

[Kapika96]

Do you have the Cradle of Civilization DLC?

And are you muslim?

[annersch]

Yes and yes.

[annersch]

I released Mamluks as Tuscany. All land is muslim, country is also muslim. It seems I should have gotten the governement form when I released, but for some reason it didn't happen?

[Kapika96]

hmm, maybe releasing them doesn't work and you actually have to form Mamluks yourself?

[annersch]

Then how is this supposed to work when you have to start as Florence? It's rated as only medium difficult and the achievement notes say:

"You can play a normal campaign (even form Italy) then release and play as the mamluks, achieve independence and form Egypt at the end. "

[Azunai]

I guess you could just continue as tuscany, make egyptian your primary culture (may have to move capital and de-state Italien lands for this) and form egypt.

[bri]

Originally posted by Azunai:

I guess you could just continue as tuscany, make egyptian your primary culture (may have to move capital and de-state Italien lands for this) and form egypt.

Yes, although you don't necessarily need to de-state or convert Italian lands depending on how much and where you expand, there's a fair bit of Egyptian culture development to be had.

[Octopuses]

Moving the capital to Egypt and de-stating Europe should work.

[RCMidas]

Wait, you don't need that government in order to form Egypt. You need Adm Tech 20, Egyptian culture, independence, and a few specific cities (of which Cairo MUST be your capital). You don't need to be Muslim. You don't need to be Mamluks first.

When you hover your mouse over the decision to Form Egypt, what does it actually say are the missing requirements for you?

[Kapika96]

Yeah, for the achievement you can just do it as Florence via culture shift. I did it as them and formed catholic Egypt.

[annersch]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Wait, you don't need that government in order to form Egypt. You need Adm Tech 20, Egyptian culture, independence, and a few specific cities (of which Cairo MUST be your capital). You don't need to be Muslim. You don't need to be Mamluks first.

When you hover your mouse over the decision to Form Egypt, what does it actually say are the missing requirements for you?

Missing: Admin tech 20, Mamluk Government. I'm playing 1.23, don't know if that matters.

[RCMidas]

Well, your first priority is to reach Adm Tech 20. Remain a Muslim Monarchy and spend some Reform Progress on switching to the Mamluk Government until then. It's a tier 1 government reform and should cost you 50 Reform Progress.

[annersch]

Reform progress? Is that a thing in 1.23?

[RCMidas]

You're the one on the obsolete version, bud, you tell me. Whatever means you normally use on that version to switch between government types, the option for a Mamluk Government will be on there somewhere if that's an option.

Worst case scenario, the "release and play as Mamluks after starting as Florence" is an outdated option and you actually need to start as Florence, wipe out the Mamluks, reform the Mamluks, and then form Egypt.

[grotaclas]

Which version of the game are you playing exactly? I had a look at the decision to form Egypt in 1.23.1 and it requires that you don't have the mamluk government.
And in any case, the release and play as Mamluks strategy in the wiki is meant for version 1.26 and later where forming an endgame tag would disallow the formation of egypt. But if you play an earlier version or don't form an endgame tag, you can just form Egypt normally after changing your primary culture.