Russia the worst nation so far

[Cortez]

No economy, terrible military, and if you want to get men in the field you gonna go in deficit. To get good eco you have to spend mana so you will get behind ideas and tech. In the end you get colonized by Ming or any Western power. GG.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Originally posted by Emperor Palpatinate:

I think you misunderstand, he wants Russia to be strong without blobbing and become the ruler of all of Asia, or the world. In other words, playing casually and thinking in the mind set of real Russia, not just "More dev in india, guess ill create this snake monster thing to grab it" kind of mentality that hardcore EU4 players have.

Last time I checked, both Persia and India are in Asia. And the actual Tsars desired to control them for centuries. You as the player can accomplish what they could not.

And it doesn't take a "snake monster thing" to do it, either. As part of my conquest of that region, I take over the entire Astrakhan and Samarkand nodes (in addition to the entirety of the Persia, Kazan, Hormuz, Basra, Lahore, Gujarat, Doab, Bengal, Coromandel, and Deccan nodes). The result is an Asian colossus, not a snake.

Not sure about wanting India, but i'm pretty sure Russia wanting Persia and other parts of the middle east is mostly modern thinking due to the oil in those regions.

Also, Russia, without Persia or India, should still be a strong nation, especially so if they kill the Polish commonwealth like they historically did.

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by Emperor Palpatinate:

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Last time I checked, both Persia and India are in Asia. And the actual Tsars desired to control them for centuries. You as the player can accomplish what they could not.

And it doesn't take a "snake monster thing" to do it, either. As part of my conquest of that region, I take over the entire Astrakhan and Samarkand nodes (in addition to the entirety of the Persia, Kazan, Hormuz, Basra, Lahore, Gujarat, Doab, Bengal, Coromandel, and Deccan nodes). The result is an Asian colossus, not a snake.

Not sure about wanting India, but i'm pretty sure Russia wanting Persia and other parts of the middle east is mostly modern thinking due to the oil in those regions.

I take it you've never heard of the 5 Russo-Persian wars fought between 1651 and 1828. The only reason Russia never pushed farther into that region was Great Britain said "no" and forced Russia to acknowledge that their "sphere of influence" only extended into the northern third of Persia.

The same holds true for India. Their conflict with Britain there was called "The Great Game" and again, the only thing that stopped them from pushing through Afghanistan into northern India was British power. Russia wanted those areas, bad. But so did Great Britain, and they were stronger.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Originally posted by Emperor Palpatinate:

Not sure about wanting India, but i'm pretty sure Russia wanting Persia and other parts of the middle east is mostly modern thinking due to the oil in those regions.

I take it you've never heard of the 5 Russo-Persian wars fought between 1651 and 1828. The only reason Russia never pushed farther into that region was Great Britain said "no" and forced Russia to acknowledge that their "sphere of influence" only extended into the northern third of Persia.

The same holds true for India. Their conflict with Britain there was called "The Great Game" and again, the only thing that stopped them from pushing through Afghanistan into northern India was British power. Russia wanted those areas, bad. But so did Great Britain, and they were stronger.

Yeah i don't know much about Russian history but generally i don't play Russia anyways because of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ poland, and having to keep up on institutions and tech.

[Cortez]

Originally posted by Emperor Palpatinate:

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Last time I checked, both Persia and India are in Asia. And the actual Tsars desired to control them for centuries. You as the player can accomplish what they could not.

And it doesn't take a "snake monster thing" to do it, either. As part of my conquest of that region, I take over the entire Astrakhan and Samarkand nodes (in addition to the entirety of the Persia, Kazan, Hormuz, Basra, Lahore, Gujarat, Doab, Bengal, Coromandel, and Deccan nodes). The result is an Asian colossus, not a snake.

Not sure about wanting India, but i'm pretty sure Russia wanting Persia and other parts of the middle east is mostly modern thinking due to the oil in those regions.

Also, Russia, without Persia or India, should still be a strong nation, especially so if they kill the Polish commonwealth like they historically did.

Facts!

[The Devil]

Dude who can't win as Russia complaining it can't be done because he can't. You just suck

[Cortez]

Originally posted by Yawn:

Dude who can't win as Russia complaining it can't be done because he can't. You just suck

I can lol *dab*

[The Devil]

Originally posted by Kuma:

Originally posted by Yawn:

Dude who can't win as Russia complaining it can't be done because he can't. You just suck

I can lol *dab*

Yet you came here to whine

[bri]

Originally posted by Yawn:

Dude who can't win as Russia complaining it can't be done because he can't. You just suck

To be fair, Muscovy->Russia is far and away the hardest of the "major" nations to succeed with (and it's only going to get worse in the next patch with the early game nerfs on the way). You start out surrounded by near equals who just love a good dogpile and as the game progresses your western neighbors Sweden and PLC get more and more over-cooked as they progress through missions, events, and their ideas while yours are comparatively rubbish. You also start with a fairly poor ruler (although the heir is reasonably good) and can expect to get no real help of note from allies at any point in the game unless you can find some help to split Poland which is at best a 50/50 as nations in the right size range and area are just as likely to rival you as them.

[Cortez]

Originally posted by Yawn:

Originally posted by Kuma:

I can lol *dab*

Yet you came here to whine

?

[Cortez]

Originally posted by bri:

Originally posted by Yawn:

Dude who can't win as Russia complaining it can't be done because he can't. You just suck

To be fair, Muscovy->Russia is far and away the hardest of the "major" nations to succeed with (and it's only going to get worse in the next patch with the early game nerfs on the way). You start out surrounded by near equals who just love a good dogpile and as the game progresses your western neighbors Sweden and PLC get more and more over-cooked as they progress through missions, events, and their ideas while yours are comparatively rubbish. You also start with a fairly poor ruler (although the heir is reasonably good) and can expect to get no real help of note from allies at any point in the game unless you can find some help to split Poland which is at best a 50/50 as nations in the right size range and area are just as likely to rival you as them.

The earlier you take on PLC the easier it is. If you let it grow too much and let them take their missions then yeah it will be hard. At that point for a good moment when they are attacked by Ottomans or Austria.
Sweden is kinda easy. It sucks when they ally PLC tho. That's such a boner killer dude.

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by Kuma:

Ya... but as I said before, too easy to go that way.

https://youtu.be/nvTNLbM3QHw

You can chill and role play like this. The stereotypical Russian ♥♥♥♥ quality but superior quantity. It should give you some sort of challenge.

Take Economic and Quantity Ideas (Administrative 3rd cuz ur gonna struggle with governing capacity with all your deving)

Take the Cossack privileges that gives you reduced dev cost in Steppe provinces, I think it reduces it to +5% so all of Russia gets turned into “Drylands” basically. The 3rd best terrain type after Farmlands (-5%) and Grasslands (0%).

Combo all of the above with upgrading Trade Centres to Lv2 and Lv3, loyal burghers with at least 60% influence and loyalty, wait for prosperity, enact your Golden Era, use the -10% dev cost Orthodox Icon for more dev cost reduction.

Let yourself fall behind in mil tech, by filling out Mil Ideas and devving with Mil points if you want the extra challenge.

Try to own Dagestan and Abkhazia then take defensive mountain battles on the Caucus chokepoints to stop the Turkish horde.

You can get the 1 million reserves achievement quite fast playing this way, I still don’t have the achievement cuz I rarely play into the late game.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Originally posted by Kuma:

Ya... but as I said before, too easy to go that way.

https://youtu.be/nvTNLbM3QHw

You can chill and role play like this. The stereotypical Russian ♥♥♥♥ quality but superior quantity. It should give you some sort of challenge.

Take Economic and Quantity Ideas (Administrative 3rd cuz ur gonna struggle with governing capacity with all your deving)

Take the Cossack privileges that gives you reduced dev cost in Steppe provinces, I think it reduces it to +5% so all of Russia gets turned into “Drylands” basically. The 3rd best terrain type after Farmlands (-5%) and Grasslands (0%).

Combo all of the above with upgrading Trade Centres to Lv2 and Lv3, loyal burghers with at least 60% influence and loyalty, wait for prosperity, enact your Golden Era, use the -10% dev cost Orthodox Icon for more dev cost reduction.

Let yourself fall behind in mil tech, by filling out Mil Ideas and devving with Mil points if you want the extra challenge.

Try to own Dagestan and Abkhazia then take defensive mountain battles on the Caucus chokepoints to stop the Turkish horde.

You can get the 1 million reserves achievement quite fast playing this way, I still don’t have the achievement cuz I rarely play into the late game.

Kinda outdated now that Quantity only gives half as much manpower as it used to, and the Quantity-Eco pairing got hit with the nerf bat hard (Economic's finisher reduced from -20% dev cost to -10%, and the Quantity-Eco policy being switched entirely from dev cost to Land Maintenance Modifier).

That said, if you can survive the new early-game after 1.35 drops, it's looking like you might still be able to get to 1m manpower even faster with the new government reforms and serfdom mechanics - even Zlewikk himself commented on it while going over the new dev diary.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Originally posted by Kuma:

Ya... but as I said before, too easy to go that way.

https://youtu.be/nvTNLbM3QHw

You can chill and role play like this. The stereotypical Russian ♥♥♥♥ quality but superior quantity. It should give you some sort of challenge.

Take Economic and Quantity Ideas (Administrative 3rd cuz ur gonna struggle with governing capacity with all your deving)

Take the Cossack privileges that gives you reduced dev cost in Steppe provinces, I think it reduces it to +5% so all of Russia gets turned into “Drylands” basically. The 3rd best terrain type after Farmlands (-5%) and Grasslands (0%).

Combo all of the above with upgrading Trade Centres to Lv2 and Lv3, loyal burghers with at least 60% influence and loyalty, wait for prosperity, enact your Golden Era, use the -10% dev cost Orthodox Icon for more dev cost reduction.

Let yourself fall behind in mil tech, by filling out Mil Ideas and devving with Mil points if you want the extra challenge.

Try to own Dagestan and Abkhazia then take defensive mountain battles on the Caucus chokepoints to stop the Turkish horde.

You can get the 1 million reserves achievement quite fast playing this way, I still don’t have the achievement cuz I rarely play into the late game.

They changed the policies, they unfortunately removed the -10% dev cost policy, and made economic go from -20% to -10%. Basically, Economic ideas is complete trash now, aside from maybe getting 5% extra discipline with Quality.

Be better off going ADM (first 2 or 3) DIP RELIGIOUS QUANTITY, or ADM INF(influence) Religious Quantity.

Plus developing land will just make you weaker, aside from devving for institutions.

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by Emperor Palpatinate:

They changed the policies, they unfortunately removed the -10% dev cost policy, and made economic go from -20% to -10%. Basically, Economic ideas is complete trash now, aside from maybe getting 5% extra discipline with Quality.

Be better off going ADM (first 2 or 3) DIP RELIGIOUS QUANTITY, or ADM INF(influence) Religious Quantity.

Plus developing land will just make you weaker, aside from devving for institutions.

I know they nerfed Economic and Quantity, but Economic still gives dev cost reduction and Quantity still gives manpower and force limit.

The guy doesn’t wanna play hardcore WC style, so I suggested an alternative unorthodox approach to spice things up xd

[Cortez]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Originally posted by MasterYi:

https://youtu.be/nvTNLbM3QHw

You can chill and role play like this. The stereotypical Russian ♥♥♥♥ quality but superior quantity. It should give you some sort of challenge.

Take Economic and Quantity Ideas (Administrative 3rd cuz ur gonna struggle with governing capacity with all your deving)

Take the Cossack privileges that gives you reduced dev cost in Steppe provinces, I think it reduces it to +5% so all of Russia gets turned into “Drylands” basically. The 3rd best terrain type after Farmlands (-5%) and Grasslands (0%).

Combo all of the above with upgrading Trade Centres to Lv2 and Lv3, loyal burghers with at least 60% influence and loyalty, wait for prosperity, enact your Golden Era, use the -10% dev cost Orthodox Icon for more dev cost reduction.

Let yourself fall behind in mil tech, by filling out Mil Ideas and devving with Mil points if you want the extra challenge.

Try to own Dagestan and Abkhazia then take defensive mountain battles on the Caucus chokepoints to stop the Turkish horde.

You can get the 1 million reserves achievement quite fast playing this way, I still don’t have the achievement cuz I rarely play into the late game.

Kinda outdated now that Quantity only gives half as much manpower as it used to, and the Quantity-Eco pairing got hit with the nerf bat hard (Economic's finisher reduced from -20% dev cost to -10%, and the Quantity-Eco policy being switched entirely from dev cost to Land Maintenance Modifier).

That said, if you can survive the new early-game after 1.35 drops, it's looking like you might still be able to get to 1m manpower even faster with the new government reforms and serfdom mechanics - even Zlewikk himself commented on it while going over the new dev diary.

I might restart my campaign on 1.35. What did the Zlew said about Russia? What's new coming that will benefit russia? Because I saw some early debuffs