Steer Trade/Transfer Trade Power

[MasterYi]

Scenario 1; I want to collect in Genoa, Seville is Spain’s home trade node, can I force Spain to steer trade? Or will they still collect in Seville?

Scenario 2: I want to collect in Genoa, does forcing the Pope to steer trade give me 100% of their trade power? Or does it do nothing at all since Genoa is an End Node? (Which I suspect is the case)

In summary, it is better to Transfer Trade Power if the country you are peacing out is either in the same Trade Node as you OR is downstream of you?

It is better to force a nation to Steer Trade:
If they share a non-End Node with you
If that node is their Home Node
If they are Upstream of you?

I’ve been forcing the Italians to Steer Trade for the past several decades now, but I’m thinking it was all pointless… I just wanted a longer truce and since Steer Trade costs twice as much as Transfer Trade Power so…

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Grew curious about this myself, so I looked it up on the wiki and found this:

"This effectively hijacks trade power in as many nodes as the target has merchants, where their merchants can be placed for the maximum benefit of the proposer. Technically, no trade power is transferred, so the values for each nation in each trade node remain the same, and if both share the same home node, then the target will still collect with their trade power, effectively wasting the value of the diplomatic agreement."

So it sounds like yes, Steer Trade on fellow Italians was pointless compared to using Transfer Trade Power instead. If I'm reading that right, it should still work on Spain though.

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Grew curious about this myself, so I looked it up on the wiki and found this:

"This effectively hijacks trade power in as many nodes as the target has merchants, where their merchants can be placed for the maximum benefit of the proposer. Technically, no trade power is transferred, so the values for each nation in each trade node remain the same, and if both share the same home node, then the target will still collect with their trade power, effectively wasting the value of the diplomatic agreement."

So it sounds like yes, Steer Trade on fellow Italians was pointless compared to using Transfer Trade Power instead. If I'm reading that right, it should still work on Spain though.

But how can Spain Steer Trade from Seville to Genoa if it is their home node 🤔.

Btw can you link me the wiki page?

[Narrowmind]

I don't think manually steering upstream is possible. I THINK it happens if you're collecting in the node before it, it automatically steers back, but only at 20 percent efficiency, if you control trade in the node downstream. I'm not really sure why you'd want to do this.. Well, you'd want to do it if you're embargoed, maybe. Not sure.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Grew curious about this myself, so I looked it up on the wiki and found this:

"This effectively hijacks trade power in as many nodes as the target has merchants, where their merchants can be placed for the maximum benefit of the proposer. Technically, no trade power is transferred, so the values for each nation in each trade node remain the same, and if both share the same home node, then the target will still collect with their trade power, effectively wasting the value of the diplomatic agreement."

So it sounds like yes, Steer Trade on fellow Italians was pointless compared to using Transfer Trade Power instead. If I'm reading that right, it should still work on Spain though.

But how can Spain Steer Trade from Seville to Genoa if it is their home node 🤔.

Btw can you link me the wiki page?

I found the specific info quoted above here:
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Diplomacy#Steer_trade_power

Evidently the relationship forced via peace deal is the same as the one done voluntarily through diplomacy for both Steer Trade and Transfer Trade Power, as the page describing those peace terms just links there instead:
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Warfare#Peace_terms

[MasterYi]

“ If you called an ally in with a promise of land, you may often find in the peace deal that they "do not want" the province in question - even if they highlighted it as a "province of interest" in the Diplomatic Feedback window. Hence, they will lose trust in you if you take any land or war reparations. However, there is a solution: before you peace out, make sure that ALL the land they highlighted as "province of interest" are under their control (hence you have transferred occupation to them), then even if you give them nothing, they will not lose trust in you (shown as a thumbs down warning in the peace menu, instead it will be neutral).”

This is news to me 🤔