Building trust with subjects?

[Gromak]

Is there any way to do it? My Dutch Mexico colonial nation is almost 50% liberty desire... and all I can do to reduce it is improve relations and they're already maxed :S

[Hanulf the Berserker]

you can sacrifice 20 prestige to lower it by 10 - this might be an expansion feature I'm not too sure. There's a page listing all your vassels, and there's a square button I think to the right of these, which you click to interact with them individually, then that opens a window of interactions.

[Hanulf the Berserker]

It could be possible you've been raising their tariff through an occasional event that gives two options - if their tariff goes up then so does their liberty desire (and the event occurs often enough for it to become a probelm to the unwary) - that list of interactions allows you to lower the tariff just incase you need to, which I presume would lower their liberty desire.

[MhaelL']

You can also hire more men to lower the 'all vassals relative power" modifier that add's up to the liberty desire.

[OG Kiwi]

Other than improving relations you can also decrease liberty desire by:
1. Having a stronger military than theirs. Since you are the Dutch, I assume you dont have many continental Europe provinces and therefore not a large army? When your colonies get much bigger than you and fields more land forces, then it becomes a serious problem.
2. Improve diplomatic reputation. There are ideas plus advisors and events. Avoid actions like diplomatic annexation.
3. Lower tariffs.
4. Have higher diplomatic tech level. Falling behind your subjects in that tree gives liberty penalty.

[Kitten Food]

You are only getting responses about liberty desire, when your question was if you can build trust.

Unfortunately, there is not much you can do to increase trust with vassals. There isn't a mechanic that increases it manually as you can with allies. If you can reconquer cores for a vassal (not transfer, you *must* use peace deal "return cores") they will have a big boost in opinion and a slight increase in trust. Note that this isn't the same as conquering claims, it is for cores only. You also passively build trust when you answer alliance calls to arms and other good deeds.

If they deeply distrust you (ie: force vassalizing after many wars) then it will very slowly decay towards normal trust, but they will most likely never 'deeply' trust you. If you diplo vassalize an ally after building up trust via favors, they will still trust you once they become your vassal.

Since trust is really not that much under your control, it is best to focus on diplomatic reputation if you want to keep vassals under control such as colonial subjects, otherwise you might have spend your prestige as has been mentioned.

[ChadSimpKing]

do favors to build trust with the cossacks DLC maybe?

[Kelldath]

Don Jon a écrit :

do favors to build trust with the cossacks DLC maybe?

You cannot, even with the DLC. However, I think that trust itself has no impact on vassals liberty desire, but mostly impacts AI decision when you call them to war, ask for alliance or ask for their trade power, all of which can't be used with your own vassals.

[the_panther]

In my mind, this is a real oversight by the devlopers. Once you forcibly vassalize a nation, the trust is very low and there is absolutely no way to manually improve it with any DLC. When they added the trust improvement capability for your allies, they forgot about your vassals.

However, trust does seem to slowly increase with time if you do nothing to lower it with an event. After a century or so, the trust level should eventually climb to 50 and stop.

[the_panther]

Kelldath a écrit :

However, I think that trust itself has no impact on vassals liberty desire.

I could be mistaken, but I thought that one of the negative values in the liberty desire list is from low trust.

[Kelldath]

the_panther a écrit :

I could be mistaken, but I thought that one of the negative values in the liberty desire list is from low trust.

You're right there, I just checked it can go from +20 to -20.
It is probably the reason the developers didn't add trust to vassals then.
It would always be rising slowly to 100, thus giving a free -20 liberty desire to any vassal given time, and that's a rather large bonus.

[Gromak]

But I think it only naturally raises to 50? Its been almost a century since i have this Colonial nation and their trust is still at 50... Since my dutch provinces in europe are tiny i cant field a large army and Dutch Mexico is getting really, REALLY big.. eventually they will hate me and break free... ANd if i lower the tariffs.. well they wouldnt be any profit then :S

[Kelldath]

Pricefield a écrit :

But I think it only naturally raises to 50? Its been almost a century since i have this Colonial nation and their trust is still at 50... Since my dutch provinces in europe are tiny i cant field a large army and Dutch Mexico is getting really, REALLY big.. eventually they will hate me and break free... ANd if i lower the tariffs.. well they wouldnt be any profit then :S

How high are your tariffs currently ?
You can usually raise tariffs early on to higher value without risk, but as the game progresses, you get an administrative efficiency modifier that will increase your colonial nations liberty desire, and by that point, it's wiser to lower the tariffs back to 20-15% or so.

If you are afraid of your dutch mexico growing too big, you can try getting a second colonial nation, so that each gets a bit smaller, although it also has its limits.

[Gromak]

I think i will just release them eventually.. because the money they bring me is pathethic compared to my trade benefits.. and they never help in my wars if they are away from America...

Though now that I think about it, a big part of my trade benefit is thanks to the trade power they give me :S

[MhaelL']

Pricefield a écrit :

I think i will just release them eventually.. because the moeny they bring me is pathethic compared to my trade benefits.. and they never help in my wars if they are away from America...

they contribute to trade power (50% of their trade power goes to you). Anyway admin efficiency increase liberty desire as well so it will be harder and harder to keep them loyal.
But the trade transfer is quite good and justify keeping a disloyal colony.
They wont help in wars outside america, but you can use them to expand in america.

[the_panther]

Pricefield a écrit :

I think i will just release them eventually.. because the money they bring me is pathethic compared to my trade benefits.. and they never help in my wars if they are away from America...

Though now that I think about it, a big part of my trade benefit is thanks to the trade power they give me :S

The wealth of CNs is in the trade. They give you an extra merchant, additional trade power, and gold fleets. The money from tariffs is insignificant by comparison.

They will not help with wars while disloyal. They rarely sail troops across the Atlantic even when loyal, but they will fight in the new world for you against enemy colonies.

When you get the event to chose between higher tariffs or monarch points, there is almost never a reason to go with the increased tariff.