Privateers, how to stop them?

[badger3d]

I have Waelth of Nations but am confused about the how trade protection and privateers works. I'm playing Friesland trying to form the Netherlands, England's Hostile to me they have some claims on my territories. I got a notice that I had "Trade Protection" casus belli against England and I needed to (Hunt down the privateers that harms your trade.)
Then I see a English fleet of light ships with a priate flag, I gathered my ships and prepared for a sea battle but they just sailed through me, They seem to be protrolling my coast but not doing anything, I changed my fleet back to "protect trade" but still nothings happening.
What's going on will they ever fight? there are some other large English fleets will they join in a fight? what effect are the pirates having on me? how did England create the privaters, I assume they did a "justify Trade war" action

Thanks for any insights into whats happening

[Kagemin]

With WoN privateering is an alternative mission for light ships. Basically it usually hurts your enemies more, while the normal "protect trade" helps you more. It also sours relations with everyone else in that trade node and can give a CB (like the one you got against England).

Privateers generate 1.5 times as much trade power as normal light ships, but they use that power for an independent "pirate" faction. The nation that sends the privateers gets a portion of the money the pirates make.

You will have to declare war on England to stop their privateers, or ignore them as much as possible and get more trade power for yourself in that node.

[Navarre]

I think you're supposed to declare war on England, which is bullcrap. Your ships protecting trade won't do anything against the privateers. Makes you wonder why they're here for in the first place if they don't attack the ships preying on your trade.

This is a very bad mechanism that doesn't make any sense. The whole point of privateers was to wage war on enemy trade ships without engaging the responsability of their mother nation. If you have to declare war on said mother nation to get rid of them, it's utterly pointless to have them in the first place. Might as well directly send your own ships to harm the trade instead of privateers.

The only way it'll ever make sense is if ships protecting trade automatically attack privateers and if you can send a fleet to destroy them without declaring open war on the nation who sent them. That's the whole point of a COVERT operation.

[Onion]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Navarre:

I think you're supposed to declare war on England, which is bullcrap. Your ships protecting trade won't do anything against the privateers. Makes you wonder why they're here for in the first place if they don't attack the ships preying on your trade.

This is a very bad mechanism that doesn't make any sense. The whole point of privateers was to wage war on enemy trade ships without engaging the responsability of their mother nation. If you have to declare war on said mother nation to get rid of them, it's utterly pointless to have them in the first place. Might as well directly send your own ships to harm the trade instead of privateers.

The only way it'll ever make sense is if ships protecting trade automatically attack privateers and if you can send a fleet to destroy them without declaring open war on the nation who sent them. That's the whole point of a COVERT operation.

Light ships are PROTECTING trade, they are not trading.

[Navarre]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tenshi:

Light ships are PROTECTING trade, they are not trading.

Protecting it how, if they let privateers attack the merchant ships? What do you think privateers are doing to harm your trade, just cruising around?

I never said light ships were trading.

[CidDaBird]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tenshi:

Light ships are PROTECTING trade, they are not trading.

Seems like someone is butthurt.

[badger3d]

Well good to know I'm not the only one with this issue.
seems since they removed pirates "patroling" should allow you to fight privateers, they should be trated just like pirates, but no :(
also I cant figure what effect they are having on my trade, I havent noticed a reduction in the trade nodes revinue or anything that mentions the pirate's effects.

[Navarre]

Początkowo opublikowane przez badger3d:

also I cant figure what effect they are having on my trade, I havent noticed a reduction in the trade nodes revinue or anything that mentions the pirate's effects.

If I'm not mistaken, the privateers count as one more nation in the trade node, with its own trade power it uses to retain part of the trade. They then send 40 or 45% of the money they get to their mother nation.

[ShadoWwolF]

itll add the "pirate" nation in the trade node and collect from it

if they dont have enough trade power to affect your income then you can just ignore them

otherwise you can use the CB and wipe out their navy including the privateers. the wargoal for that trade CB is just to blockade their ports i believe, so with a strong navy you could get an easy victory without having to fight any land battles

[badger3d]

I did find you can see the effect the pirates are having by looking at a trade node, they are listed as a percentage control like other countries.
Also they reduced my control of the trade node to 19% and I lost CB on England, but my income actually increased, it seems like if your under 20% on a node pirates dont effect you, can anyone confirm this?
Still cant believe there is no way to fight pirates short of a naval war with the parent country, there is no way I could fight England and win they have a ton of none pirate ships

[ShadoWwolF]

Początkowo opublikowane przez badger3d:

I did find you can see the effect the pirates are having by looking at a trade node, they are listed as a percentage control like other countries.
Also they reduced my control of the trade node to 19% and I lost CB on England, but my income actually increased, it seems like if your under 20% on a node pirates dont effect you, can anyone confirm this?
Still cant believe there is no way to fight pirates short of a naval war with the parent country, there is no way I could fight England and win they have a ton of none pirate ships

you lose the CB if you have less than 20% in the node.

the privateers dont affect you or anyone else directly so your income increasing was more likely due to the value of the node increasing somehow (likely another nation steering more trade towards it)

privateers collect from the node based on their percentage of the node just like any other nation. you have to compete with them for trade power but otherwise they have no other direct effects on you

also not being able to fight them without declaring war is because they arent normal pirates, they're technically still ships from the other nation so attacking them would be like attacking the other nation which you normally cant do unless you're at war. so the situation is handled by giving a CB to nations with 20% or more control in the trade node

[Lord Edward Dunmay]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ShadoWwolF:

also not being able to fight them without declaring war is because they arent normal pirates, they're technically still ships from the other nation so attacking them would be like attacking the other nation which you normally cant do unless you're at war. so the situation is handled by giving a CB to nations with 20% or more control in the trade node

I beg to differ.
1) They are flying the pirate flag - that should be a dead give away.
2) If you have treasure fleets they will take a percentages of the gold they are transporting.
If that doesn't count as pirating, I don't know what does.

I agree with the general consensus here that the mission "Protect Trade" should enable you to attack the "Privateer" ships. Otherwise those ships are doing something wrong (or just change the mission name since they're not doing much protecting)

[karhyy]

Lord necromancer the necrodude please curse us with your wisdom!

[spartakisteqc]

There is a mission called "Hunt Pirates" that you can use to reduce privateer efficiency. The effect is stronger the more guns you have and you have to try to outgun the privateering fleet. It might be only availlable with Mare Nostrum though. In all cases, you need either heavy ships or light ships in a fleet to do this mission with galleys being an option in inland seas, but not in open seas. Otherwise, you have to do like the other people said: declaring war and sinking those corsairs. Yaaaaargh!!!