The reformation started.....

[ChaffyExpert]

In Spain of all countries. Go home EU4, you're drunk.

Also, England and Denmark went "well, ♥♥♥♥ it let's go protestant too." immediately.

RIP catholicism. I've never seen the AI so eager to embrace the reformation. Spain, the birthplace of the reformation (I don't even know where to begin with that one.) is still catholic so far. Did Paradox change AI behavior or smn? That is by far the quickest reformation (as in spreading across Europe, not the actual date it starts in) i've ever seen.

[ChaffyExpert]

NateDogg님이 먼저 게시:

Marquoz님이 먼저 게시:

What year is it? Has the Reformation started yet? They won't appear if they don't exist.

It's 1516. I don't know if the reformation has started or not but I guess that's why I can't see them.

If you're catholic, click the religion tab and look at for something called "reform desire" Generally the reformation doesn't happen until it's 110 reform desire or above, although i think it technically can happen at 100, generally it doesn't. (at least for me.)

[Nate]

Palpatinate님이 먼저 게시:

NateDogg님이 먼저 게시:

It's 1516. I don't know if the reformation has started or not but I guess that's why I can't see them.

If you're catholic, click the religion tab and look at for something called "reform desire" Generally the reformation doesn't happen until it's 110 reform desire or above, although i think it technically can happen at 100, generally it doesn't. (at least for me.)

It's been over 100 for a while, not sure the exact number. I'm here to find out how to reverse it, but all indicators suggest it's inevitable. I don't know what the implications are for stability as this is my first playthrough and I'm not a history buff. It took a long time to convert everyone to Catholic, it's going to take a long time to convert everyone to Protestant and I only have 1 missionary. I'm sure there are modifiers to fix that but I'll have to look into it. This game has many moving parts, I only just realised I have a stockpile of papency influence to spend on other buffers.

[RCMidas]

Reform desire will ALWAYS tick upwards. Even wiping out every Catholic nation in the world will not prevent this background upward trend. The random decisions every couple of years that each Catholic nation gets will usually result in smaller boosts, to say nothing of one-off events like Castile exiling the Granadan Muslims or the Papal States getting a Borgia as Pope.

[bri]

Been seeing it mostly in the 1500-1510 range with a couple outliers being a bit later. Still a bit early on average but way better than the mid 1480s of the last patches.

[ChaffyExpert]

NateDogg님이 먼저 게시:

Palpatinate님이 먼저 게시:

If you're catholic, click the religion tab and look at for something called "reform desire" Generally the reformation doesn't happen until it's 110 reform desire or above, although i think it technically can happen at 100, generally it doesn't. (at least for me.)

It's been over 100 for a while, not sure the exact number. I'm here to find out how to reverse it, but all indicators suggest it's inevitable. I don't know what the implications are for stability as this is my first playthrough and I'm not a history buff. It took a long time to convert everyone to Catholic, it's going to take a long time to convert everyone to Protestant and I only have 1 missionary. I'm sure there are modifiers to fix that but I'll have to look into it. This game has many moving parts, I only just realised I have a stockpile of papency influence to spend on other buffers.

Not really, once you convert to protestantism you get a short modifier that adds 10% religious conversion strength.

You should get Humanist or Religious ideas, due to the internal religious strife disaster, if you haven't used the idea slots already.

Assuming that's not an option though, decide if you are going to need to go protestant or want to before 1500, and if the answer to that is yes, switch to protestant ASAP so you can use the modifier to convert the biggest cities first, that way when "age of reformation" happens your religious unity is already at 75%+

[grognardgary]

Kapika96님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, it makes a tonne of sense for Austria's rivals to join the Protestant side. Austria, and the HRE in general, is a massive obstacle if you're anywhere near central Europe. It's difficult to expand there since Austria will call in all their allies every time, they get force limit/manpower boosts from being emperor too so they punch above their weight. You also get a tonne of AE from the area too.

Austria losing the HRE war and therefore the emperorship makes the game so much easier for every European that isn't Austria's friend.

And more than a few that are. And note the French has a civil war with the Huguenots later but their more pressing concern in the early 1500's geopolitically was being surrounded by Hapsburgs, Not until Rocroi I think it was ended the dominance of the spanish terror and end the supremacy of the Tercio, did they have enough maneuvering room to deal with their own protestant menace.

[ChaffyExpert]

'm playing a new game, it's 1520, and no reformation yet. Playing as a CN that isn't catholic in Italy though so that may be part of the reason.

Edit: just fired 1525. So, it may just be taking awhile for it to actually happen. Sometimes it's quick, sometimes it isn't.

[Nate]

Palpatinate님이 먼저 게시:

NateDogg님이 먼저 게시:

It's been over 100 for a while, not sure the exact number. I'm here to find out how to reverse it, but all indicators suggest it's inevitable. I don't know what the implications are for stability as this is my first playthrough and I'm not a history buff. It took a long time to convert everyone to Catholic, it's going to take a long time to convert everyone to Protestant and I only have 1 missionary. I'm sure there are modifiers to fix that but I'll have to look into it. This game has many moving parts, I only just realised I have a stockpile of papency influence to spend on other buffers.

Not really, once you convert to protestantism you get a short modifier that adds 10% religious conversion strength.

You should get Humanist or Religious ideas, due to the internal religious strife disaster, if you haven't used the idea slots already.

Assuming that's not an option though, decide if you are going to need to go protestant or want to before 1500, and if the answer to that is yes, switch to protestant ASAP so you can use the modifier to convert the biggest cities first, that way when "age of reformation" happens your religious unity is already at 75%+

I reverted to an earlier save in 1518, but I have a stockpile of cash that I can use to purchase several tiers of Defender of the Faith so I'll have a few extra missionaries plus the conversion zeal, I should be able to switch over pretty quick without too much trouble. I'm focusing on the cities that provide the most unity boost, as you suggested. It sucks that my prestige got reset to 0.

[bri]

NateDogg님이 먼저 게시:

I reverted to an earlier save in 1518, but I have a stockpile of cash that I can use to purchase several tiers of Defender of the Faith so I'll have a few extra missionaries plus the conversion zeal, I should be able to switch over pretty quick without too much trouble. I'm focusing on the cities that provide the most unity boost, as you suggested. It sucks that my prestige got reset to 0.

That's not how DotF works, you get higher tiers by having more nations of your faith (1, 5, 10, 20, 50 for tiers I-V) with the bonuses gradually increasing as you progress (only ever one missionary though).

You should get Humanist or Religious ideas, due to the internal religious strife disaster, if you haven't used the idea slots already.

Not really needed as a christian unless you're going for a wc/one faith sort of run as you get plenty of missionary strength from the various decisions to convert everything in your subcontinent and you're just going to tc most everything else (I usually even skip the ones that negatively impact institutions without issue). The only really impactful things you get from religious ideas are the missionaries and the CB and as I recall those are both kind of late now. The "disaster" is about as tame as it gets, just choose tolerance and keep converting, issue a new decree if you happen to get the follow-up and yawn, done...

[ChaffyExpert]

bri님이 먼저 게시:

NateDogg님이 먼저 게시:

I reverted to an earlier save in 1518, but I have a stockpile of cash that I can use to purchase several tiers of Defender of the Faith so I'll have a few extra missionaries plus the conversion zeal, I should be able to switch over pretty quick without too much trouble. I'm focusing on the cities that provide the most unity boost, as you suggested. It sucks that my prestige got reset to 0.

That's not how DotF works, you get higher tiers by having more nations of your faith (1, 5, 10, 20, 50 for tiers I-V) with the bonuses gradually increasing as you progress (only ever one missionary though).

You should get Humanist or Religious ideas, due to the internal religious strife disaster, if you haven't used the idea slots already.

Not really needed as a christian unless you're going for a wc/one faith sort of run as you get plenty of missionary strength from the various decisions to convert everything in your subcontinent and you're just going to tc most everything else (I usually even skip the ones that negatively impact institutions without issue). The only really impactful things you get from religious ideas are the missionaries and the CB and as I recall those are both kind of late now. The "disaster" is about as tame as it gets, just choose tolerance and keep converting, issue a new decree if you happen to get the follow-up and yawn, done...

Ya i know, in fact i usually don't have humanist or religious because i don't do the whole aggressive World Conquest as Ulm stuff. But if religious unity is a problem, religious or humanist ideas help significantly, plus the free religious CB is nice.

Didn't know they changed the disaster, but i never have it fire for me to begin with because i always plan ahead on whether i'm going protestant or not.