The reformation started.....

[ChaffyExpert]

In Spain of all countries. Go home EU4, you're drunk.

Also, England and Denmark went "well, ♥♥♥♥ it let's go protestant too." immediately.

RIP catholicism. I've never seen the AI so eager to embrace the reformation. Spain, the birthplace of the reformation (I don't even know where to begin with that one.) is still catholic so far. Did Paradox change AI behavior or smn? That is by far the quickest reformation (as in spreading across Europe, not the actual date it starts in) i've ever seen.

[Marquoz]

Nothing new here. Since the game's launch in 2013, I've seen the Reformation begin in Spain, Portugal, Britain, Scandinavia, the Balkans, Poland, Hungary, Italy, France, and of course Germany. The conditions for the event can be found here:

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Protestant_events#The_Protestant_Reformation

Nothing limits the start of the Reformation to Germany.

EU4 made a very deliberate design choice to be a sandbox instead of a more historical game. Previous games in the series hewed far closer to historical norms--but that generated tens of thousands of complaints about repetitiveness and insufficient freedom.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Nothing new here. Since the game's launch in 2013, I've seen the Reformation begin in Spain, Portugal, Britain, Scandinavia, the Balkans, Poland, Hungary, Italy, France, and of course Germany. The conditions for the event can be found here:

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Protestant_events#The_Protestant_Reformation

Nothing limits the start of the Reformation to Germany.

EU4 made a very deliberate design choice to be a sandbox instead of a more historical game. Previous games in the series hewed far closer to historical norms--but that generated tens of thousands of complaints about repetitiveness and insufficient freedom.

True, it usually doesn't but i did know it technically could start in Spain.

What i'm interested in though, is why the nations are jumping on the protestant bandwagon. Before, it would usually be OPMs in the HRE that embrace it first, as it only takes one province converting, while larger nations would need to have many provinces converted before they joined the reformation. I haven't seen an AI nation, without any protestant provinces or centers of reformation, just go "well, YOLO, lets go protestant."

I do kinda like this though, seems a bit more realistic than a protestant crisis consisting of some rando OPMs in Germany. Hopefully doesn't pull a CK2 where catholicism just totally implodes.

Well, maybe once....

[Keijo]

I think the problem with reformation is that if an ai is the emperor it always leads to religious war, but then if the catholics win the war the empire is left in a state where they tick -0.3 authority per month foreever.

[Marquoz]

That does happen, yes, but I don't see it as a problem. Religious war is what permanently wrecked the historical HRE, after all. The game's mechanics reflect that.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

That does happen, yes, but I don't see it as a problem. Religious war is what permanently wrecked the historical HRE, after all. The game's mechanics reflect that.

Ya and it balances out Austria, which has one of the strongest mission trees.

[ChaffyExpert]

Ouch, AI england is half catholic, half protestant, and just switched to Anglican. That's not a going to be fun for them.

Although, pretty accurate tbh. don't like the church of England? just wait 5 minutes.

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by Palpatinate:

Ouch, AI england is half catholic, half protestant, and just switched to Anglican. That's not a going to be fun for them.

Although, pretty accurate tbh. don't like the church of England? just wait 5 minutes.

Yep that's why you had both Catholic and Protestant colonies in the new world.

[ChaffyExpert]

Well, it's 1565 now, the league wars are about to happen, Spain kicked out protestants, Germany scandanaia Portugal and England are protestant. gotta say, reformation peaked very early at 1504 and kinda went downhill from there.

Also two sicilies formed. not amazing but kinda rare to see that. May form Italy, that would be a cool change, AI typically doesn't succeed at doing that.

[ChaffyExpert]

Lol Spain and France are catholic but in protestant league, UK is anglican but in catholic league, and Sweden is protestant but in Catholic league.

And of course, Muslim Ottomans are also participating on the Protestant side. (I don't know why but this seems to happen almost every single time.)

The hell?

Pretty sure the game is trolling me.

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by Palpatinate:

Lol Spain and France are catholic but in protestant league, UK is anglican but in catholic league, and Sweden is protestant but in Catholic league.

And of course, Muslim Ottomans are also participating on the Protestant side. (I don't know why but this seems to happen almost every single time.)

The hell?

Pretty sure the game is trolling me.

Nope. In history, France was Catholic but joined the Protestants. So did the Ottomans. This is exactly the way the religious league wars should play out. The first few HRE nations joined on the basis of religion. The later participants joined on the basis of who they hated. France and the Ottomans hated Austria, so France and the Ottomans joined the team opposed to Austria.

[Kapika96]

Yeah, it makes a tonne of sense for Austria's rivals to join the Protestant side. Austria, and the HRE in general, is a massive obstacle if you're anywhere near central Europe. It's difficult to expand there since Austria will call in all their allies every time, they get force limit/manpower boosts from being emperor too so they punch above their weight. You also get a tonne of AE from the area too.

Austria losing the HRE war and therefore the emperorship makes the game so much easier for every European that isn't Austria's friend.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Originally posted by Palpatinate:

Lol Spain and France are catholic but in protestant league, UK is anglican but in catholic league, and Sweden is protestant but in Catholic league.

And of course, Muslim Ottomans are also participating on the Protestant side. (I don't know why but this seems to happen almost every single time.)

The hell?

Pretty sure the game is trolling me.

Nope. In history, France was Catholic but joined the Protestants. So did the Ottomans. This is exactly the way the religious league wars should play out. The first few HRE nations joined on the basis of religion. The later participants joined on the basis of who they hated. France and the Ottomans hated Austria, so France and the Ottomans joined the team opposed to Austria.

Alright but it's still funny everyone except a few HRE minors are on the opposite side of their religion.

[Nate]

I can't find centers of reformation. The religious map mode only shows cardinal seats.

[Marquoz]

What year is it? Has the Reformation started yet? They won't appear if they don't exist.

[Nate]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

What year is it? Has the Reformation started yet? They won't appear if they don't exist.

It's 1516. I don't know if the reformation has started or not but I guess that's why I can't see them.