How to 'Embrace Renaissance ' as African Nation?

[JOHNNY SEALION]

I'm playing as Ethiopia, and it's going pretty well. This 'Renaissance' ♥♥♥♥ has just started, and it's going to break my technological advantage against my enemies. How do I get more intuations for it?

[Damedius]

I gave up my Africa game but I did notice if you beef up your development a % appears on that province. I got it as high as 38% but couldn't get it to pop. Not sure exactly how it works.

[JOHNNY SEALION]

This ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks. The closest provinces where they've embraced the Renaissance is Anatolia.

Paradox always finds a way to release a game-breaking update, at such little notice. sigh.

[Damedius]

It seems like the percentage comes up at 15 development in that province.

You could go with colonialism and discover the new world to pop colonialism first.

[chazla20]

just give it time and the newer institutions should catch up to you. However, the game I just played and the Ottoman were still behind the other great powers towards the end. Sort of like history but I agree the institutions are bothersome at times.

[Damedius]

Originally posted by chazla20:

just give it time and the newer institutions should catch up to you. However, the game I just played and the Ottoman were still behind the other great powers towards the end. Sort of like history but I agree the institutions are bothersome at times.

If you are far away from Europe just giving it time and waiting itsn't an option. You aren't going to get the Renaissance anytime soon and will eventually be working with a 50% tech penalty. If you don't start to colonize that tech disadavantage is only going to increase.

I gave up my Africa game when I was at a 52% tech disadvantage.

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Originally posted by Damedius:

Originally posted by chazla20:

just give it time and the newer institutions should catch up to you. However, the game I just played and the Ottoman were still behind the other great powers towards the end. Sort of like history but I agree the institutions are bothersome at times.

If you are far away from Europe just giving it time and waiting itsn't an option. You aren't going to get the Renaissance anytime soon and will eventually be working with a 50% tech penalty. If you don't start to colonize that tech disadavantage is only going to increase.

I gave up my Africa game when I was at a 52% tech disadvantage.

I'm beginning to Colonize vacant african provinces, will they assist me with the Colonization ♥♥♥♥?

[Damedius]

No you have to discover the new world I believe. So the Caribean, South and North America.

Even if you aren't the person who discovers it, just having ports in the new world will help you with colonization.

For the Renaissance I would either start pouring development into one province or trying to get territory on the northern coast so you are closer to Europe.

[Surimi]

To be fair, the renaissance is kind of a ♥♥♥♥♥ for everyone not in Europe.. some nations with good advisors and access to farmland can use development to start their own renaissance (Ming is the most obvious example) but otherwise you'll just have to wait.

Since the renaissance spreads faster into high development provinces, your best bet is probably to expand into Egypt. You'll still lag a little, but the high development provinces in Egypt are a much better bet than having to wait for it to cross the desert. Plus, you might be able to sell a province in Egypt or North Africa to Venice or one of the other European powers, meaning once they embrace institutions you'll get them really fast.

Also, did you not notice that Ethiopia had tech penalties before?

[JOHNNY SEALION]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

To be fair, the renaissance is kind of a ♥♥♥♥♥ for everyone not in Europe.. some nations with good advisors and access to farmland can use development to start their own renaissance (Ming is the most obvious example) but otherwise you'll just have to wait.

Since the renaissance spreads faster into high development provinces, your best bet is probably to expand into Egypt. You'll still lag a little, but the high development provinces in Egypt are a much better bet than having to wait for it to cross the desert. Plus, you might be able to sell a province in Egypt or North Africa to Venice or one of the other European powers, meaning once they embrace institutions you'll get them really fast.

Also, did you not notice that Ethiopia had tech penalties before?

Thanks for the advice.


And yes, I know. It still sucks. You can be handicapped so severely if you don't play the correct way. I didn't want to expand into Egypt until I was in a position to fight Europeans & Turks. This is kind-of derailing my game. I'm sick of this ♥♥♥♥. These updates are becoming game-breaking.

[Anaverageguy41]

This one has its ups and downs.
At least now you won't see horrifying tech abnormalities like Chinese Tech Ming being ahead of Western Nations in all techs as well as having full ideas (that was fun)
But at the same time its pretty damning unless you're able to either expand like nobodies business or at the very least colonise

[Piloni]

Originally posted by Gavrilo SRB 👌👌💯 💯:

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

To be fair, the renaissance is kind of a ♥♥♥♥♥ for everyone not in Europe.. some nations with good advisors and access to farmland can use development to start their own renaissance (Ming is the most obvious example) but otherwise you'll just have to wait.

Since the renaissance spreads faster into high development provinces, your best bet is probably to expand into Egypt. You'll still lag a little, but the high development provinces in Egypt are a much better bet than having to wait for it to cross the desert. Plus, you might be able to sell a province in Egypt or North Africa to Venice or one of the other European powers, meaning once they embrace institutions you'll get them really fast.

Also, did you not notice that Ethiopia had tech penalties before?

Thanks for the advice.


And yes, I know. It still sucks. You can be handicapped so severely if you don't play the correct way. I didn't want to expand into Egypt until I was in a position to fight Europeans & Turks. This is kind-of derailing my game. I'm sick of this ♥♥♥♥. These updates are becoming game-breaking.

You sound like a winerly little ♥♥♥♥♥ that can't handle changes.
In many ways this patch made playing non western more fun, you can overcome you're technological disadvantage and won't just sit there with a 60% penalty all the time.

Concerning the Renaissance I have to agree what so ever, you can't to anything to boost it, there are no buildings no tech just nothing to help only thing you can do is wait till it reaches you, then you can boost the spreading by haveing positiv stability etc.

I understand paradox's decision to make the renaissance that way, by doing so they made the game still kinda historical and didn't just annul the technolocial disadvantage of asia and africa.

[Damedius]

Originally posted by Piloni:

Originally posted by Gavrilo SRB 👌👌💯 💯:

Thanks for the advice.


And yes, I know. It still sucks. You can be handicapped so severely if you don't play the correct way. I didn't want to expand into Egypt until I was in a position to fight Europeans & Turks. This is kind-of derailing my game. I'm sick of this ♥♥♥♥. These updates are becoming game-breaking.

You sound like a winerly little ♥♥♥♥♥ that can't handle changes.
In many ways this patch made playing non western more fun, you can overcome you're technological disadvantage and won't just sit there with a 60% penalty all the time.

Concerning the Renaissance I have to agree what so ever, you can't to anything to boost it, there are no buildings no tech just nothing to help only thing you can do is wait till it reaches you, then you can boost the spreading by haveing positiv stability etc.

I understand paradox's decision to make the renaissance that way, by doing so they made the game still kinda historical and didn't just annul the technolocial disadvantage of asia and africa.

It's more that the game forces you to take a specific route to remain technologically competitive throughout the game, especially if you aren't in Europe.

If you are outside of Europe and Mediterranian Sea you are going to have to pour a ton of development points into a province in order to get The Renaissance to pop or else risk being 50+ % technology behind 50 years into the game.

Next you have to go with colonies in order to hope you pop Colonial first. If you don't it's going to be tricky. This really punishes Asia as they will be the last to receive colonialism as it usually pops in Europe.

For Prinitng Press you're forced to swtich to Protestant or Reformed as those are the yearly spread modifiers that are independent of neighbors.

Global Trade isn't too bad as long as you have spent a decent amount of time upgrading your trade, have a fleet and control some nodes.

Manufactories should actually be easy by the time it comes provided you did a decent job of keeping up this far and have invested in some manufactories.

For the Enlightment it is much easier if you complete Innovative as it gives a huge bonus to spread.

The early ones generally seem to be the worst and if you manage to get by them you shouldn't have to much trouble with the last couple.

[Piloni]

Originally posted by Damedius:

Originally posted by Piloni:

For Prinitng Press you're forced to swtich to Protestant or Reformed as those are the yearly spread modifiers that are independent of neighbors.

Well there they at least give you growth in your capital if you have dip 15.

But I agree the game forces you to play a certain way, which isn't that great.

[uhamster9]

Originally posted by Damedius:

I gave up my Africa game but I did notice if you beef up your development a % appears on that province. I got it as high as 38% but couldn't get it to pop. Not sure exactly how it works.

You have to keep manually doing it until it's 100%, for every single stage. It's basically a numbers game.

[Valar Morghulis]

Why is everybody whining because of tech disadvantages? You know that you used to start with a tech disadvantage? So I don't get it. It's still as fair as it was before in my opinion. You shouldn't have better tech than european nations as african one.