Vassals

[MasterYi]

1: I messed up, I tried to be as effecient as possible by Diplo-annexing (-45%) instead of using Admin to core myself (-25%), now my Vassal Astrakhan is too big and disloyal, Idk how long tthe progress has been paused but it seems I have extended the annexation date by 20 years….

I improved relations to the max, paid off all their debt, traded favours for 100 trust (not sure if that even does anything for Vassals), I placated as much as I can, now I am at negative Prestige…

How to fix this? I refuse to cancel annexation cuz I am already at 35%. Can I revoke the Boyar Integration privilege which gives +15% Liberty Desire then re-take it when the annexation is just about to finish?

2: I declared a reconquest war for Byzantium against the Ottomans, I also have Bulgaria as a vassal. Do I still get the -75% AE for retaking Bulgarian cores too? Or does that only apply to Byzantium?

If it doesn’t apply to Bulgaria then I might as well take non-core provinces if it is gonna be the same AE right?

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Also, I wasn’t sure if I should have enforced religion on Astrakhan when it was just an OPM, cuz at the time I didn’t have enough missionaries or missionary strength to convert my provinces let alone my Vassal’s provinces.

Are you using every missionary strength modifier at your disposal? I generally do not have problems converting provinces.

Well, Sunni gives -2% and non-accepted culture gives -2% too.

I was too poor at the start to keep rerolling for a missionary advisor and the cultures didn’t make up enough dev in my country to be accepted/didn’t have the diplo to spare.

Eventually I got a half price missionary advisor, Enforce Religious Unity state edict which also makes me struggle with gov cap, and I replaced the Religious Diplomats clergy privilege with the +1% missionary privilege, took lv3 DoTF but it doesn’t give missionary strength

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Also, I wasn’t sure if I should have enforced religion on Astrakhan when it was just an OPM, cuz at the time I didn’t have enough missionaries or missionary strength to convert my provinces let alone my Vassal’s provinces.

Plus it woulda decreased his income, manpower and increased unrest and rebellions right being at -100% religious unity?

But maybe I should’ve took the short term pain for long term gain, woulda had same religion modifier + royal marriage + +1 diplo used per month for annexation.

One way around this: take a single province, convert it yourself, then release it from the province screen and diplovassalize it, instead of using the "release vassal" option. Takes longer, but the resulting vassal starts with your desired religion, so you bypass having to make them convert and then hoping they can handle the conversion process.

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Also, I wasn’t sure if I should have enforced religion on Astrakhan when it was just an OPM, cuz at the time I didn’t have enough missionaries or missionary strength to convert my provinces let alone my Vassal’s provinces.

Plus it woulda decreased his income, manpower and increased unrest and rebellions right being at -100% religious unity?

But maybe I should’ve took the short term pain for long term gain, woulda had same religion modifier + royal marriage + +1 diplo used per month for annexation.

One way around this: take a single province, convert it yourself, then release it from the province screen and diplovassalize it, instead of using the "release vassal" option. Takes longer, but the resulting vassal starts with your desired religion, so you bypass having to make them convert and then hoping they can handle the conversion process.

Releasing a Vassal after converting its province to your religion will make them your religion too though?

Pretty sure I remember having a Shinto Yeren as Japan this way unless they changed it in recent patches

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Originally posted by Malvastor:

One way around this: take a single province, convert it yourself, then release it from the province screen and diplovassalize it, instead of using the "release vassal" option. Takes longer, but the resulting vassal starts with your desired religion, so you bypass having to make them convert and then hoping they can handle the conversion process.

Releasing a Vassal after converting its province to your religion will make them your religion too though?

Pretty sure I remember having a Shinto Yeren as Japan this way unless they changed it in recent patches

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Vassal#Releasing_a_nation

Originally posted by Wiki:

Whatever religion is the largest in all of the new vassal's cores everywhere in the world (even if currently not owned by the nation) in terms of development will become the vassal's state religion (cores belonging to its original religion apparently count double); the number of provinces following any given religion is not the determining factor. If a same-religion vassal is necessary, converting the future vassal's richer provinces before releasing the vassal will ensure the vassal's adherence to the true faith.

So it might work, depending on how much dev the nation's cores have overall, but it also might not or might require more conversion than just one province.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Interesting, usually I grant occupation to my vassal then demanding it to be ceded to my vassal directly cuz I noticed it costs less warscore.

As far as I'm aware, that method will only cost less warscore for the one province you have set as the wargoal; for everything else, Return Core should be the same if not cheaper. Return Core also has the added benefit of forcing the nation you're attacking to revoke their own core on that province at the same time.

Originally posted by MasterYi:

I can still demand directly for Byzantium I guess but not for Bulgaria. Does ceding core for Bulgaria will also gimme reduced warscore cost?

It definitely should.

[bri]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Also, I wasn’t sure if I should have enforced religion on Astrakhan when it was just an OPM, cuz at the time I didn’t have enough missionaries or missionary strength to convert my provinces let alone my Vassal’s provinces.

Plus it woulda decreased his income, manpower and increased unrest and rebellions right being at -100% religious unity?

But maybe I should’ve took the short term pain for long term gain, woulda had same religion modifier + royal marriage + +1 diplo used per month for annexation.

Unless there's a good reason not to do so I enforce religion right away on any wrong religion vassal. Good reasons being high likelihood of independence movement, planning to annex right away and unable to get ld under control in that time frame, or the odd game where I'm doing humanist.

[MasterYi]

Update: The problem was my 7% Crownland, as soon as it went over 10%, Astrakhan’s liberty desire became manageable again with the occasional Placate Local Rulers.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Update: The problem was my 7% Crownland, as soon as it went over 10%, Astrakhan’s liberty desire became manageable again with the occasional Placate Local Rulers.

Ahhh yeah that'll do ya. Longterm low crownland can be a killer.