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How does Tolerance of heathens mechanic work?
I've read it in the EU4 wiki, I've looked through youtube search results but nothing is clear to me. How does this mechanic work?
Originally posted by Malvastor:
Originally posted by Yuri Bezmenov:
Originally posted by Malvastor:
Tolerance basically tells you how much extra/reduced unrest a province of the given religion will have. Tolerance of heathens is just the value specifically for religions that aren't your state religion and aren't in the same group as it.
Could you give me an example?

Okay, suppose you're playing Catholic Austria and you have a +6 Tolerance of the True Faith, +1 Tolerance of Heretics, and -4 Tolerance of Heathens.

Your Catholic provinces have their unrest reduced by 6. That's great, and helps keep them peaceful.

That province that just flipped Protestant from a Center of Reformation has unrest reduced by 1- it's not the right religion, but Protestantism and Catholicism are in the same group. But, depending on your other circumstances, you may find that there's a ticking revolt risk there, because there's much less unrest reduction than there was before.

That Sunni province you just conquered from the Ottomans will have its unrest increased by 5 (1.25 points of unrest per negative point of tolerance); Islam is much further removed from Catholicism than Protestantism is, your state and its new subjects understand each other less, and your negative Tolerance of Heathens basically means that your policies actively make them angrier. But this unrest will be reduced immensely if you convert that province to Catholic.

Aside from the unrest, there's also a 10% penalty to tax income and goods produced. Even if you beat the unrest down, that Muslim province is 40% less profitable as long as you have low tolerance for heathens.

The upshot is that you have to decide to either focus on converting provinces so they're of your religion, or increasing your tolerance enough that provinces of the 'wrong' religion won't be constantly revolting and/or failing to produce. Personally, I usually prefer the former way.
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Malvastor Jul 7, 2022 @ 12:15pm 
Tolerance basically tells you how much extra/reduced unrest a province of the given religion will have. Tolerance of heathens is just the value specifically for religions that aren't your state religion and aren't in the same group as it.
Yuri Bezmenov Jul 7, 2022 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by Malvastor:
Tolerance basically tells you how much extra/reduced unrest a province of the given religion will have. Tolerance of heathens is just the value specifically for religions that aren't your state religion and aren't in the same group as it.
Could you give me an example?
Illyrien Jul 7, 2022 @ 1:15pm 
On the religion page you can see which religions count as Heathens, and which are Heretics.

For every points of Tolerance of Heathen, provinces with those relgions suffer less unrest. I think its 2 points of unrest per point of Tolerance
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Malvastor Jul 7, 2022 @ 1:19pm 
Originally posted by Yuri Bezmenov:
Originally posted by Malvastor:
Tolerance basically tells you how much extra/reduced unrest a province of the given religion will have. Tolerance of heathens is just the value specifically for religions that aren't your state religion and aren't in the same group as it.
Could you give me an example?

Okay, suppose you're playing Catholic Austria and you have a +6 Tolerance of the True Faith, +1 Tolerance of Heretics, and -4 Tolerance of Heathens.

Your Catholic provinces have their unrest reduced by 6. That's great, and helps keep them peaceful.

That province that just flipped Protestant from a Center of Reformation has unrest reduced by 1- it's not the right religion, but Protestantism and Catholicism are in the same group. But, depending on your other circumstances, you may find that there's a ticking revolt risk there, because there's much less unrest reduction than there was before.

That Sunni province you just conquered from the Ottomans will have its unrest increased by 5 (1.25 points of unrest per negative point of tolerance); Islam is much further removed from Catholicism than Protestantism is, your state and its new subjects understand each other less, and your negative Tolerance of Heathens basically means that your policies actively make them angrier. But this unrest will be reduced immensely if you convert that province to Catholic.

Aside from the unrest, there's also a 10% penalty to tax income and goods produced. Even if you beat the unrest down, that Muslim province is 40% less profitable as long as you have low tolerance for heathens.

The upshot is that you have to decide to either focus on converting provinces so they're of your religion, or increasing your tolerance enough that provinces of the 'wrong' religion won't be constantly revolting and/or failing to produce. Personally, I usually prefer the former way.
Last edited by Malvastor; Jul 7, 2022 @ 1:20pm
Yuri Bezmenov Jul 7, 2022 @ 1:20pm 
Originally posted by Illyrien:
On the religion page you can see which religions count as Heathens, and which are Heretics.

For every points of Tolerance of Heathen, provinces with those relgions suffer less unrest. I think its 2 points of unrest per point of Tolerance
So basically, the more points of Tolerance of Heathens, the less likely heretic provinces are gonna rebel?
Malvastor Jul 7, 2022 @ 1:22pm 
Originally posted by Illyrien:
On the religion page you can see which religions count as Heathens, and which are Heretics.

For every points of Tolerance of Heathen, provinces with those relgions suffer less unrest. I think its 2 points of unrest per point of Tolerance

1 point of unrest reduction per positive point of tolerance, 1.25 points of extra unrest per negative point of tolerance.
"True Faith" refers to the currently assigned state religion of a nation. In EU4, every country has to have one religion assigned as their accepted state religion, even the countries that historically were renowned for their religious tolerance.

The Ottomans make an excellent example to show the difference between True Faith, Heretics, and Heathens. At the start of the game, the "True Faith" for the Ottomans is Sunni, which is one of the three flavors of Islam that exist in EU4's timeline. Provinces owned by the Ottomans that follow the Shia faith, which is another variety of Islam, are considered to be Heretic provinces, because they aren't Sunni but they still fall under the overarching banner of Islamic religions. Meanwhile, provinces owned by the Ottomans that have the Orthodox religion, which is part of the Christian religion group, are considered to be Heathen provinces, because they are part of a different religion group entirely from the Ottomans' "True Faith" of Sunni. Likewise, for a Catholic nation, provinces that follow other Christian faiths such as Protestant, Reformed, Orthodox, or Coptic are considered to be Heretic provinces, while Sunni or Shia provinces would be considered Heathens.
Illyrien Jul 7, 2022 @ 3:47pm 
Originally posted by Yuri Bezmenov:

Well, the more Tolerance of Heathens, the less likely they are to rebel. Its the same for Heretics.

True Faith, T. o. Heathens and T. o. Heretics are just 3 different groups, and the more points you have in each, the more happy the provinces with that religion will be.

Of cause, if you just convert provinces to your own religion, only True Faith will really matter much.
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